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    Tiramu's Avatar
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    Tira Mu
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexanderOrnitier View Post
    Hm, thats disappointing. Im not gonna do it then. Everything that involves spreadsheets and requiring you to watch a 30 min guide(for example p7s has a 30 min guide on yt) multiple times im out of. Anyway thanks for the feeback
    If it helps, ARR Ex... heck most Ex, do not require spreadsheets or watching guides. Its more than possible to do them blind or with a few people who know the ropes to pop tips at you.

    I did the ARR Ex trials blind, it took a while to clear a few first time, but not obscenely so. Ramuh, one of the hardest of the ARR bunch, took about 2 hours blind, sync, no echo.
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    Oscarlet Oirellain
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexanderOrnitier View Post
    Hm, thats disappointing. Im not gonna do it then. Everything that involves spreadsheets and requiring you to watch a 30 min guide(for example p7s has a 30 min guide on yt) multiple times im out of. Anyway thanks for the feeback
    You don't need to watch a guide necessarily. You will eventually learn it just from joining [Practice] parties and wiping. People just recommend guides so that it wastes their time less.

    If you really struggle with a specific mechanic, and there are a few mechanics that are hard to understand without a visual diagram such as Devour in P5S or Harvests in P7S, then you can skip to that specific mechanic in the video and just look at the information for that.

    A lot of people make strategy pictures that just show a still image of what to do for mechanics like that, so you can get away without a video at all even for mechanics like those.
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    In other news, there is no technical debt from 1.0.
    "We don't have ... a technological issue that was carried over from 1.0, because ARR was meant to kind of discard what we had from 1.0 and rebuild it from the engine."
    https://youtu.be/ge32wNPaJKk?t=560

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexanderOrnitier View Post
    Hm, thats disappointing. Im not gonna do it then. Everything that involves spreadsheets and requiring you to watch a 30 min guide(for example p7s has a 30 min guide on yt) multiple times im out of. Anyway thanks for the feeback
    Bozja is basically the content that has midcore difficulty. Slightly harder than your average runs, easier than your "EX" fights mechanically, but a lot more people in the instance and a lot more leniency. Though, it's not that once people start using the right lost actions and essences. It simplifies the difficulty very easily.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexanderOrnitier View Post
    Hm, thats disappointing. Im not gonna do it then. Everything that involves spreadsheets and requiring you to watch a 30 min guide(for example p7s has a 30 min guide on yt) multiple times im out of. Anyway thanks for the feeback
    Spreadsheets?

    Man, I've done every Ultimate out to date and the only time spreadsheets have been needed is the last two minutes of the final phase, and even then that's just cuz it's easier to do that than experiment with 16+ minute pulls what mitigation would work.

    Then again I'm a sheltered static player who runs content blind. I dunno how bad guides are these days, and shudder to think what spreadsheets pugs use lol
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    I either buy my own sandwich or I end up with pork-nostrils.

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    Khloe Lafihna
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexanderOrnitier View Post
    Hm, thats disappointing. Im not gonna do it then. Everything that involves spreadsheets and requiring you to watch a 30 min guide(for example p7s has a 30 min guide on yt) multiple times im out of. Anyway thanks for the feeback
    its why you run on release day. everyone goes in blind and its a pretty fun experience truthfully and the satisfaction is way way up there in terms of completing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexanderOrnitier View Post
    Where is the middle ground? Am I just too dumb? I need a flow chart for the current tier extreme and for P7S I need a brain transplant.
    Middle ground would probably be normal raids and trials. Things start to pick up with mechanics people need to follow. The next stage of extreme / savage is more organized with less telegraphs. Things like clock positions and light party stacks matter more and tend to get repeated throughout the game.

    Any good player in the extreme / savage tier has charts handy, so you shouldn't feel bad about needing them. Part of the fun for the more hardcore people is figuring out how to set up those charts in the first place. Then you have people like Hector and Mizzteq providing video guides.

    If I could advise anything for trying it, it's be well rested and fed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexanderOrnitier View Post
    Hi there WoLs o/

    So I started with 6.1 and did pretty much alle the non-extreme non-savage content.

    So then I asked myself, what else could I do besides professions, RP, Saucer, Housing and all the other stuff.

    Next step would be to get into a static for extremes and savage raids and I did. About 3.5 Weeks I tried raiding with a static and it was honestly fun. But not because of the content, because of the people.

    I have to say im overwhelmed by the difficulty spike you get, when you go from normal content to extremes and savages.

    Its like, normal EW content is a 20, Extremes are a 85 and Savage is straight up to 95 to 100.

    Where is the middle ground? Am I just too dumb? I need a flow chart for the current tier extreme and for P7S I need a brain transplant.

    I also tried the criterion dungeon with a nice FC group, and we had fun but we couldnt get anywhere besides wiping for 90 minutes on the mouse.

    I fall asleep during normal content and get a stroke from the higher content, which makes me sad because i kinda dont fit in anywhere.
    I don't like to quote posts just to basically say "yeah me too", but here we are. I have no shame in admitting im not a very skilled player. I am a slow learner, reflexes aren't what they used to be etc. But even I have reached the point where the existing 4 person dungeons in the game are mostly snorefest wall to wall pulls. Sure, I might occasionally die if I forget a mechanic or am not paying attention but they are very easy for the most part. You put it well when you categorized that content on a scale from 1-100 as around 20 and it feels like everything after that is 80+ and that type of content will NEVER be for players like me.

    Where is the 20-80 content?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xaruko_Nexume View Post
    I don't like to quote posts just to basically say "yeah me too", but here we are. I have no shame in admitting im not a very skilled player. I am a slow learner, reflexes aren't what they used to be etc. But even I have reached the point where the existing 4 person dungeons in the game are mostly snorefest wall to wall pulls. Sure, I might occasionally die if I forget a mechanic or am not paying attention but they are very easy for the most part. You put it well when you categorized that content on a scale from 1-100 as around 20 and it feels like everything after that is 80+ and that type of content will NEVER be for players like me.

    Where is the 20-80 content?
    Yes i mean, its not the worlds end but just a bit disappointing. Maybe i could search or form a static of bloody beginners, but how long is that static gonna last with seeing very slow progress. Im just gonna do crafting and become the richest person on the server and make the best glams in the world and get a House in about 3 expansions
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexanderOrnitier View Post
    Yes i mean, its not the worlds end but just a bit disappointing. Maybe i could search or form a static of bloody beginners, but how long is that static gonna last with seeing very slow progress. Im just gonna do crafting and become the richest person on the server and make the best glams in the world and get a House in about 3 expansions
    Just do learning parties in PF. You'll probably find worse people out there and start to feel more confident that way.
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    Tira Mu
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexanderOrnitier View Post
    Yes i mean, its not the worlds end but just a bit disappointing. Maybe i could search or form a static of bloody beginners, but how long is that static gonna last with seeing very slow progress. Im just gonna do crafting and become the richest person on the server and make the best glams in the world and get a House in about 3 expansions
    Use your FC? Learning or blind groups in PF?

    Really, you're somewhat catastrophising how big of a deal prog'ing an Ex will be. This forums expectations from players can be very skewed and doesnt reflect what you'll find in game; which will for the most part, be patience.
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