YPYT is griefing. Tank role is not "puller" role

[Canadane]

While I might agree that I prefer wall-to-wall pulls and killing 2-3 sets of mobs vs just 1... if I'm going to exhibit the attitude you have, I would just go play a console game where I can control the other NPCs.

Other players aren't NPCs. If someone wants every dungeon to be played a certain way, every time, then go play a solo console game.

Right so when three people want the tank to play a certain way and the tank doesn't, there's a problem.

[Axious]

I feel like this debate got out of hand.

Only thing that truly matters is sprint. As long as it’s 100% on cool down everything is going fine.

[Shurrikhan]

Only thing that truly matters is sprint. As long as it’s 100% on cool down everything is going fine.

Sprint's duration is doubled if used out of combat. Portion of effective (i.e., actual useful) uptime of the Sprint buff would be a better indicator.

I would hope everyone knows that lol. Common knowledge.

If you're recommending Sprint be used on cooldown, instead of occasionally waiting that extra second for combat to actually end...

[Axious]

Sprint's duration is doubled if used out of combat. Portion of effective (i.e., actual useful) uptime of the Sprint buff would be a better indicator.

I would hope everyone knows that lol. Common knowledge.

[LeonKeyh]

While I might agree that I prefer wall-to-wall pulls and killing 2-3 sets of mobs vs just 1... if I'm going to exhibit the attitude you have, I would just go play a console game where I can control the other NPCs.

Other players aren't NPCs. If someone wants every dungeon to be played a certain way, every time, then go play a solo console game.

I guarantee that the single pulling tank is the one that you should be saying this to. They're the ones trying to control the speed in which the other people go through the dungeon.

[Harriks]

I guarantee that the single pulling tank is the one that you should be saying this to. They're the ones trying to control the speed in which the other people go through the dungeon.

That's just false

[Shurrikhan]

I guarantee that the single pulling tank is the one that you should be saying this to. They're the ones trying to control the speed in which the other people go through the dungeon.

That's just false

They're literally just two speeds. Going slow is not somehow an inherent or tacit state any more than going fast is.

If I, as a single member not in accord with the majority opinion, pull another group and expect everyone else to continue doing their jobs, I am trying to control the speed in which other people go through the dungeon.

If I, as a single member not in accord with the majority opinion, pull only one group and harass anyone who attempts to pull more, I am trying to control the speed in which other people go through the dungeon.

What matters is whether the group wants faintly less stress per pull and to take twice as long, or wants slightly greater stress per pull and to take half as long. One's role is irrelevant to whether or not they are controlling that pace.

If a tank, without any communication, pulls only one group at a time, they are not only trying to control the speed of the group -- they are doing so. If they then communicate that they expect no one to pull extra (despite their never dipping below 70% HP), they are not only controlling that pace but also trying to deny any others' agency in regard to that pace, just as a person pulling ahead despite the 3 people asking them not to would be.

[dspguy]

I guarantee that the single pulling tank is the one that you should be saying this to. They're the ones trying to control the speed in which the other people go through the dungeon.

Isn't that the entire crux of the conversation? We are playing an MMO. Other players aren't robots.

"Hey, I'm playing an MMO. I want this other player to do what I say and sell me their Alkonost Whistle for 1 gil. Oh they aren't? Crappy player. "
"Hey, I'm playing an MMO. I want this other player to do what I say and relinquish their house so I can buy it. Oh they aren't? Crappy player."
"Hey, I'm playing an MMO. I want this other player to play the game the way I dictate it. Oh they aren't? Crappy player."

Just saying. It is a ridiculous argument. Best part is...

If people want to pull over the tank, go right ahead. Certain tanks can probably pull a single group and kill it solo while the group runs on ahead and gets slaughtered.

People having issues with how the tank are pulling should take advice that they've likely given to other players about other aspects of the game:

- don't want to deal with the cutscenes in MSQ roulette? Leave.
- don't like how some player is using quartermaster/master loot? Leave.
- don't like how the tank is pulling? Leave.

[Shurrikhan]

If people want to pull over the tank, go right ahead. Certain tanks can probably pull a single group and kill it solo while the group runs on ahead and gets slaughtered.

Or, you know, they go on to 3-man the full-pulls at still greater speed than working around the tank's insistence on single-pulls? That is the more frequent outcome when the tank is the 1 opposite the remaining 3, after all...

[dspguy]

Or, you know, they go on to 3-man the full-pulls at still greater speed than working around the tank's insistence on single-pulls? That is the more frequent outcome when the tank is the 1 opposite the remaining 3, after all...

Maybe they could. So problem solved. Why is this thread even at 130 posts? Clear it without the tank then.