Criterion Dungeons(Savage) Should Reward Savage Gear

[Tenken7]

Criterion Dungeons(Savage) should be as hard as 8-man raids (Savage) and should reward the same ilvl gear.

Criterion Dungeons(Savage) should be an alternative path to end-game gear.

Getting 8 people to keep a schedule is a bloody nightmare and 4-player content would be, logistically, far more achievable.

[Boffy]

From what I've read Criterion dungeons will be "a way for raiders to use their savage gear" which implies you need to do savage to have a chance at doing the Criterions? If that's the case, then there's probably no point in having that kind of gear reward tied to it since anyone who do Criterions are decked out in Savage gear already.
I may have misunderstood though.

[Tenken7]

From what I've read Criterion dungeons will be "a way for raiders to use their savage gear" which implies you need to do savage to have a chance at doing the Criterions?

I could have sworn they said in the live letter "Criterion Dungeons will be a way to help you get into savage" I'm paraphrasing.

[Corbeau]

They could take this path if they commit to only ever releasing criterion dungeons well after the savage tier. Otherwise you get the M+ situation where raiders resent having to do non-raid content in order to optimally prog the raids.

I didn't have much sympathy for that standpoint during Legion, but I played the game specifically for M+ so I didn't see it as a burden. When BfA made you constantly engage with every single abysmally-designed side activity (lmao island expeditions) in order to prog anything, M+ or raids, I understood the problem - and quit WoW. If you haven't played WoW, imagine if equipping your raid gear drops also required you to do PvP, Bozja, and max out Island Sanctuary to boot. The memory of that slippery slope is part of why people react so negatively to the idea of raid-equivalent gear from non-raid content.

[Tenken7]

They could take this path if they commit to only ever releasing criterion dungeons well after the savage tier. Otherwise you get the M+ situation where raiders resent having to do non-raid content in order to optimally prog the raids.

Good point. I agree.

[Ransu]

They have shown there are treasure chests in them. We don't know whats in there, but I'd be really surprised if there isn't gear comparable to tome upgrade gear with probably some kind of lockout.

[Stepjam]

I mean I guess? You'll already need a fair amount of savage obtained gear to even enter the dungeon.

[Liam_Harper]

From what I've read Criterion dungeons will be "a way for raiders to use their savage gear" which implies you need to do savage to have a chance at doing the Criterions? If that's the case, then there's probably no point in having that kind of gear reward tied to it since anyone who do Criterions are decked out in Savage gear already.

Alt jobs.

Personally I'd lean towards having them drop 620 (unaugmented) tome gear though.

[SweetPete]

I mean I guess? You'll already need a fair amount of savage obtained gear to even enter the dungeon.

The savage community is very small. I highly doubt the savage dungeons you will need some savage grade gear. Maybe some pieces of the new tome gear but that’s all.

[Stepjam]

The savage community is very small. I highly doubt the savage dungeons you will need some savage grade gear. Maybe some pieces of the new tome gear but that’s all.

The ilvl requirement to enter the savage version of the dungeon is 625 according to the last live letter. That's 5 ilvl higher than you can get with unaugmented tomestone gear. Which means if you wanna run the savage version of the dungeon this patch, savage is mandatory.