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    Issues with Trial Account Trolls

    Just wanted to see if anybody else is having an issue with people who keep making troll characters to harass other players, on trial accounts, and suffer no consequence when, if any, action is taken by them from a GM?

    Backstory (and why it's a big deal to us): For us it all started when one of our FC members said in Discord they were uncomfortable with jokes about autism, because they recently lost someone very close who was autistic. Some people thought this trampled on their freedom of speech (I'm not going to get into that here), but long story short, now we have someone who keeps making new characters with one of our FC members name and different variations of the word "Autist", that circumvent naming restrictions in their name. And standing them next to our FC members. (The character name alone is a violation of TOS) But, it really sucks for us, because what the troll is doing, specifically targeted against us, evokes so many emotions on so many levels. And it's not like we can just /blacklist them since it's their name that's the problem.

    GMs removed the first two, but now it seems like our tickets don't have a resolution, and the troll is here to stay.

    Has anybody dealt with anything like this before? If so, how did you resolve it? To me, it seems like this is an issue with no solution. Since people can keep making new trial accounts with no actual consequences, and getting a trial account banned seems so trivial to a person whose only intent with it is to harass others.

    Really appreciate any feedback and thoughts here
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    Quote Originally Posted by Someusername View Post
    Just wanted to see if anybody else is having an issue with people who keep making troll characters to harass other players, on trial accounts, and suffer no consequence when, if any, action is taken by them from a GM?

    Backstory (and why it's a big deal to us): For us it all started when one of our FC members said in Discord they were uncomfortable with jokes about autism, because they recently lost someone very close who was autistic. Some people thought this trampled on their freedom of speech (I'm not going to get into that here), but long story short, now we have someone who keeps making new characters with one of our FC members name and different variations of the word "Autist", that circumvent naming restrictions in their name. And standing them next to our FC members. (The character name alone is a violation of TOS) But, it really sucks for us, because what the troll is doing, specifically targeted against us, evokes so many emotions on so many levels. And it's not like we can just /blacklist them since it's their name that's the problem.

    GMs removed the first two, but now it seems like our tickets don't have a resolution, and the troll is here to stay.

    Has anybody dealt with anything like this before? If so, how did you resolve it? To me, it seems like this is an issue with no solution. Since people can keep making new trial accounts with no actual consequences, and getting a trial account banned seems so trivial to a person whose only intent with it is to harass others.

    Really appreciate any feedback and thoughts here
    As much as it sucks, Square's customer support is one of the worst I have ever seen in regards to harassement, dont count on them to do anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormpeaks View Post
    As much as it sucks, Square's customer support is one of the worst I have ever seen in regards to harassement, dont count on them to do anything.
    Part of it is because Harassment isn't a crime in Japan, they don't have much of a concept of it, there has to be violence involved to cross the line.
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    I think the best you can do is report them and hope that helps. With it being trial accounts I don't think there is a permanent solution. You can blacklist them on sight and from that point just don't pay them any mind. They get satisfaction from your reactions. If you show none...it should stop altogether shortly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renalt View Post
    I think the best you can do is report them and hope that helps. With it being trial accounts I don't think there is a permanent solution. You can blacklist them on sight and from that point just don't pay them any mind. They get satisfaction from your reactions. If you show none...it should stop altogether shortly.
    Sadly, they have started to use subbed accounts.

    That's when the reports stopped working. The famous, "We shall investigate and deal with it as we see fit" Only to see them still standing there a day later. So clearly SE seems to have not cared once they got their money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Someusername View Post
    Sadly, they have started to use subbed accounts.

    That's when the reports stopped working. The famous, "We shall investigate and deal with it as we see fit" Only to see them still standing there a day later. So clearly SE seems to have not cared once they got their money.
    Oh no if anything...they gave you the ammo to actually have a permanent solution. If they do it again....take screenshots and time stamp them. It will be done with but it takes a bit of time. Just you and your friends just keep doing what you are doing and it'll get resolved...albeit eventually. Banning one person is a better financial move than doing nothing and losing like 6 people. Especially over harassment.
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    As much as it sucks, and as hard as it will be, it looks gotten to the point that the troll needs to be ignored until they get bored. (something I've had to do a few times since 2006).

    No reaction. This is quite hard in an FC sense, as everyone needs to do it, as long as the troll get any reaction they will keep going.

    If you've ever seen the tos-breaking extension voidlist (not suggesting that it's used of course) what it does, is the level of ignoring you will need to implement. If you've not seen it, the reaction is completely as if the troll is not there, to the point you walk through them without seeing them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shibi View Post
    As much as it sucks, and as hard as it will be, it looks gotten to the point that the troll needs to be ignored until they get bored. (something I've had to do a few times since 2006).

    No reaction. This is quite hard in an FC sense, as everyone needs to do it, as long as the troll get any reaction they will keep going.

    If you've ever seen the tos-breaking extension voidlist (not suggesting that it's used of course) what it does, is the level of ignoring you will need to implement. If you've not seen it, the reaction is completely as if the troll is not there, to the point you walk through them without seeing them.
    I didn't even know that was a thing but it does sounds like the answer...

    even though we can't say to use it...or if anyone does. It's all hush hush.
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    When you deal with human beings, never count on logic or consistency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormpeaks View Post
    As much as it sucks, Square's customer support is one of the worst I have ever seen in regards to harassement, dont count on them to do anything.
    Wait, What?

    I thought this was the game where if I told the Tank:
    "hey, please turn on your tank stance, the healer is getting beat up."

    They could claim I was insulting their chosen playstyle and have me banned for a week.





    I'm kidding ... kinda...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ICountFrom0 View Post
    Part of it is because Harassment isn't a crime in Japan, they don't have much of a concept of it, there has to be violence involved to cross the line.
    Unfortunately thats true and there are quite a few documentaries online about that. Actually it’s similar everywhere in the world, even with threats you’re not taken seriously unless something is done to you, but hey give the gov half of your hard work right? Anyways Im drifting off.

    I don’t think they will do much unless he starts messaging insults directly to people then yes maybe he’ll get a proper ban, but I doubt they will ban him because of an offensive name. They could block his IP sure but he can bypass that easily.

    Unfortunately those kind of people are sad as hell and the only way they can lift their miserable self esteem is by harming others for a bit of power. How do you deal with those people? You cut off their power. That means do not react at all, don’t blacklist so that you can report their messages but don’t message back, depends how sad this lowlife is he might either stop after a while or go as crazy as he can (let’s face it, you’re not healthy if you go out of your way to make accounts for these kind of purposes). Thats why, block him anywhere else except in game, if you have shared servers message the admins and explain the situation so they can kick him. Protect yourselves as much as possible, keep your distance with an eye open.
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