Diminishing returns on Crowd control effects and 8v8v8 for frontlines

[Towa-Musa]

lets make it happen SE

[sugmacoganbols]

id like 8v8v8 but i wanna keep the 24v4v24 as well
i want it both ways

[Towa-Musa]

id like 8v8v8 but i wanna keep the 24v4v24 as well
i want it both ways

maybe have a option for 8v8v8?

[sugmacoganbols]

ye lets have both, sounds good to me

[Towa-Musa]

ye lets have both, sounds good to me

perfect, maybe a capture the flag mode with 8v8v8 would be nice (no not the king of the hill bs im talking you pick that flag up and WALK it back to base.)

[Mandudez]

The way I look at it when getting hit with seemly unlimited CC's in FL is I'm making them waste all of their burst on me so my team will hopefully have an easier time beating them after I die. As it stands right now if they don't adjust the bonus defense on melee back down more they would be able to escape from 99% of encounters if you limited CC. Stacking CC's is literally one of the only ways to kill a good melee player right now in FL.

[RydiaFey]

perfect, maybe a capture the flag mode with 8v8v8 would be nice (no not the king of the hill bs im talking you pick that flag up and WALK it back to base.)

Sounds like fun!

I'd rather they make a separate CTF mode, and then bring back 8v8v8 frontlines only when there aren't enough players to fill 72 slots, or 16v16v16 if there are only 48 players etc like before. That way the que isn't split. Shrink down the maps if possible with less players.

I wonder if 5v5v5 would be easier to balance for CTF since that's closer to what CC is like?

DR on crowd control would require a lot of balancing, and would trickle down and affect almost everything.

Like off the top of my head it would make ninjas even more god like because you couldn't lock them down. They'd have to rebalance everyone's kit and HP totals. Heal spam would need to be reduced since you can't burst into multiple stuns.

Idk it doesn't sound awful but, at best it would give the devs a lot of work and at worse it could take away player agency because no more timing cc with other players to secure a kill.

Without crowd control we are pretty much just playing PVE. Pressing damage buttons until one of us has 0hp, and that sounds worse than what we have now.

I'd rather they give everyone a fetter ward ability in addition to purify rather than diminishing returns.

[Towa-Musa]

Sounds like fun!

I'd rather they make a separate CTF mode, and then bring back 8v8v8 frontlines only when there aren't enough players to fill 72 slots, or 16v16v16 if there are only 48 players etc like before. That way the que isn't split. Shrink down the maps if possible with less players.

I wonder if 5v5v5 would be easier to balance for CTF since that's closer to what CC is like?

DR on crowd control would require a lot of balancing, and would trickle down and affect almost everything.

Like off the top of my head it would make ninjas even more god like because you couldn't lock them down. They'd have to rebalance everyone's kit and HP totals. Heal spam would need to be reduced since you can't burst into multiple stuns.

Idk it doesn't sound awful but, at best it would give the devs a lot of work and at worse it could take away player agency because no more timing cc with other players to secure a kill.

Without crowd control we are pretty much just playing PVE. Pressing damage buttons until one of us has 0hp, and that sounds worse than what we have now.

I'd rather they give everyone a fetter ward ability in addition to purify rather than diminishing returns.

or two stacks of purify

[Karasio]

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Nah it would let more support oriented classes shine more. Like, there's currently no reason to go bard over red mage since both have the same amount of hard CC, but red mage's kit is more versatile. If they gutted a lot of the CC from DPS jobs, they could let bard have an actual place in games, etc etc. As it is right now it's just bloated with most jobs having two, if not more ways of applying some kind of CC.

[RydiaFey]

Nah it would let more support oriented classes shine more. Like, there's currently no reason to go bard over red mage since both have the same amount of hard CC, but red mage's kit is more versatile. If they gutted a lot of the CC from DPS jobs, they could let bard have an actual place in games, etc etc. As it is right now it's just bloated with most jobs having two, if not more ways of applying some kind of CC.

Pretty sure rdm silence is 1sec vs bards 3, and rdm bind is 2sec vs bards 3