Endgame gearing in FFXIV

[Zepherl]

Even just gearing your first main job is way too time consuming. If you have bad luck, just getting both a chest piece and a weapon from the last turn takes 16 weeks of books. That's just ridiculous.

[Rolder50]

It's particularly bothersome when Yoshi-P makes comments along the lines of asking people to try new roles such as healer, while disregarding the fact that gearing alt jobs is an absolute chore that no one wants to bother with.

[Ivtrix]

Your point still falls short since crafted gear isn't going to get me into ultimate on an alt job XD. I'm not sure what your point is here. How will Yoshi P ask me to please play healer for the ultimate when I simply couldn't even if I wanted to?

he doesnt raid, he doesnt know you are required to be bis or near bis to even bother with ultimate content

[Maltothoris]

People have hopped into savage and cleared the full tier week 1 with just crafted and one tome accessory (two acc or one body piece with this new grace period). People have probably done the same with criterion, as entry is 610.

One major issue here is that people in pf are setting the ilvls to their parties at 615 and above. This makes trying to do the fight on Alts jobs much more difficult to do. People want the higher ilvl so that they can skip the annoying mechanics like Ruby Glow 6 or Cachella 2 or finishing the right after War’s harvest or if you got snakes first you can skip the second dog phase in p8s part 1. So the community wishes to emulate that and set their ilvls to where they think they can skip those mechs.

[Jettinson]

As a non raider is painful, i still need 3 more tome accessories + a single weapon for tank (which luckily i already have the Ultralight Tomestone) to get almost full ilv620 (with Purgatory or Rinascita as 2nd ring ilv610). Rest are forced to get the latest crafted set\purgatory (and some jobs i still use the latest dungeon gear).

There could be something to ease up a little for alt jobs with the tomes? Not asking to be immediate uber geared but at that point it's a lot of time and sub spent for a single role\class

[DixieBellOCE]

1) Completely agree with. Once the first 8 weeks are over, raids should just be farmable. not 8 months later when everyone is bored of the content.
Are people seriously going to get pissy after 8 weeks if people are able to just replay the same raid to gear up!?

2) Substats are skewed towards damage, things like Tenacity and Piety are completely worthless outside of very niche uses.
Either nerf the hell out of crit, det and DH or just flat out remove them all.

3) YES. Remember when Relic quests gave you GEAR!? Damn, Eureka was a good time, when doing something OTHER THAN RAIDING, rewarded you with raid tier gear.
We arent even getting a Eureka/Bozja style content this expansion, so there is literally nothing new to do once you get the rewards from criterions.

4) Accs should be 1 book, Head/Gloves/Boots should be 2, Legs/Chest/Wep should be 4.
I got super unlucky this tier playing a healer, and ended up gearing my RANGEPHYS more than my main job due to drops and BiS gear.

It took 7 weeks to even get a piece of gear for healer, and it felt like shit.

[AurisNix]

OP has a well written post, but I can't say that I agree with any points, moreso those following in some sort of agreement. SE has a clear formula for gearing up and despite what some might think, it actually works. Those that only do dungeon content can work on their BiS every week. Likewise for savage. There doesn't need to be an alternate route that takes people out of the pool of players pursuing that level of gear.

What is the actual rush? That's a rhetorical question btw, as I know there's no good answer.



People have hopped into savage and cleared the full tier week 1 with just crafted and one tome accessory (two acc or one body piece with this new grace period). People have probably done the same with criterion, as entry is 610.

Bozja / Zadnor offered nothing that one would honestly use anywhere outside of those zones. That gear was specifically made for that content, as well as glam purposes. Calling it midtier is false and we don't need more. If you want 620 gear, you should've had a full set done by now.

lmao so your argument is that if week one hardcore raiders can clear savage with 610 PENTAMELDED gear then everyone should able to do so? sorry im not week one raider and i dont plan to become one i didnt start raiding in week one either or have a static and sure as hell im not gillionare to get a pentamelded gear, i jumped as a casual player and did prog blind and then prog some more with guides and thats how i had lot of fun but then i found myself waiting long time in pf for a spot cuz i had a low ilvl or there was no spot for my job in pf and couldnt join as another job cuz my gear would just suck, at this point all my alt jobs have 610 but i know that if i jump criterion p7s or p8s with my mch with a potato 610 gear ill just be a pain in the ass for everyone and thats no fun at all, and zadnor gave 525 ilvl that had better stats than a 510 gear. the only time to "figure it out" as you say is to wait every week to cap tomes or books and pray for a good rng to get a 630. ive been farming books no matter how good my gameplay was

[AwesomeJr44]

People have hopped into savage and cleared the full tier week 1 with just crafted and one tome accessory (two acc or one body piece with this new grace period). People have probably done the same with criterion, as entry is 610.

What a stupid argument. "Week 1 raiders cleared with crafted gear, so gearing speed doesn't matter. Just clear with crafted gear lol" Well I guess if week 1 raiders cleared with crafted, then there must be no point in getting new gear at all then? After all, we can always just clear with crafted gear, right?

Have you considered that maybe people want better gear to make clearing things easier? Not everyone's a week 1 world first raider who wants to go into P8S with nothing but crafted gear. Just because you can go into P8S with crafted gear doesn't mean that everyone should. I 100% guarantee this guy has never cleared a savage tier. He clearly doesn't understand how they work.

Deveryn's here with the nonsense take, as usual.

[Rolder50]

What a stupid argument. "Week 1 raiders cleared with crafted gear, so gearing speed doesn't matter. Just clear with crafted gear lol" Well I guess if week 1 raiders cleared with crafted, then there must be no point in getting new gear at all then? After all, we can always just clear with crafted gear, right?

Have you considered that maybe people want better gear to make clearing things easier? Not everyone's a week 1 world first raider who wants to go into P8S with nothing but crafted gear. Just because you can go into P8S with crafted gear doesn't mean that everyone should. I 100% guarantee this guy has never cleared a savage tier. He clearly doesn't understand how they work.

Deveryn's here with the nonsense take, as usual.

If you look up that poster on the Lodestone and check Achievements, you can see that indeed they have not cleared any recent savage tier. Furthermore, looks like they wait until Savage can be unsynced and only clear it then.

[Deveryn]

If you look up that poster on the Lodestone and check Achievements, you can see that indeed they have not cleared any recent savage tier. Furthermore, looks like they wait until Savage can be unsynced and only clear it then.

I don't clear savage at all, aside from when I did blue mage. Ya'll are bad enough in extremes on PF and I don't care to try and find a decent static anymore. It's not worth the stress. What I even do has little to do with anything. I at least play the game.

but while we're peeking, where are your final extreme mounts or your morbol mount? (Let me guess, "this is an alt") You're a sprout and you're trying to call me out on my own activities which clearly outdo your own.

EDIT: This is not a flex. This is calling out hypocrisy.