Endgame gearing in FFXIV

[Imora]

Going forward I'd like to see Square Enix take a leaf out of WoW's book. For PvE gearing, Mythic+ and Raiding can reach the same peak of the item level curve entirely independently of each other and you can do high level Mythic+ keys without ever needing to raid. Likewise the inverse is true if you like raiding but don't want to do Mythic+. This would require Criterion dungeons to be fleshed out into a system that's ready at the start of each raid tier so you can enter with the crafted/normal mode gear and progress to the same need point.

In general I do think the pace of gearing is far too slow, especially if you want multiple gear sets to be as powerful as possible on multiple jobs while playing a single character. Definitely feels like it's balanced solely to keep you playing longer and subscribing for more months per raid tier... although that's a somewhat expected design decision for a subscription MMO.

WoW has the problem of M+ not being restricted to a lockout meaning you grind the hell out of it to get the best gear from it week one, invalidating two tiers of raids before you do your X 15s for the week and collect your free mythic item level loot from the vault.

It's a terrible system.

[Lunalepsy]

Gearing up is pointless in this game. Just wear sexy glamours!

[Liam_Harper]

Love the guy that doesn't have any savage experience talking about how the loot system is fine. Keep defending this shit while pf is dead as fuck in certain regions and doesn't let people easily jump around on alt jobs to help out people.
Good chunk of my friends already unsubbed cause waiting hours in pf cause shit doesn't fill is very enjoyable.

"It keeps people subbed!"

People are literally unsubbing because it's not fun.

"You're meant to take breaks!"

Then why can't we change it?

"Uh ...it keeps people subbed!"

[RobynDaBank]

Lol, the FFXIV system may suck, but careful what you wish for with WoW's system of loot. There's no coffers, no books either - tokens became a thing only in the last season (which they said is "experimental") - and expansion by expansion they're making it harder to gear within M+ by raising the max Key you need to do to get the best iLevel items - which will always be worse than Mythic Raids. You get the highest iLevel item only from the weekly "Vault", from where you pick only one item out of maximum 9 (3 each for raid, M+ and PvP if you fulfil all requirements).

And no, you can't do M+ Keys without raiding. Have even a slight knowledge of essential BiS like Trinkets and you'll be proved wrong.

[Ransu]

Love the guy that doesn't have any savage experience talking about how the loot system is fine. Keep defending this shit while pf is dead as fuck in certain regions and doesn't let people easily jump around on alt jobs to help out people.
Good chunk of my friends already unsubbed cause waiting hours in pf cause shit doesn't fill is very enjoyable.

Maybe in the future people who aren't affected by what is talked about here just learn to shut up and let improvements happen based on feedback from people that are actually affected. But I guess for clowns like above me can't stop pretending to give out opinions on things they have no clue about.
Like sorry but mr crafted gear that hasn't killed a single savage boss this entire expansion yes you're fucking unqualified to tell others about how the loot system is fast enough.

Like the logic with which people are defending this shit would have blocked pretty much all changes to the loot system we already got like coffer changes etc. It's actually so unbelievably how stupid the arguments are.

Why are you and your friends not making a static together then? Seems like blaming the gearing system is just a cover for your laziness. The gearing system is perfectly fine and significantly better than other mmos Go play rng swtor and tell me this games gear progression is bad lol. The only thing that is annoying is being unable to gear alts, but the actual system itself with drops/tomes/books is perfectly fine.

[Reinha]

I'm not having any problems with gearing in PF. This week I got the last twine I needed with books. I'm 629 on my main and 620 on my alt even though I started a week late and went 3 weeks without any drops.

The biggest problem is that I haven't been able to see all of p2 because I can't find a party that can get to the mechanic they aim to practice. Any static want a Reaper who can't commit to a set raiding schedule?

[Akonyl]

Why are you and your friends not making a static together then? Seems like blaming the gearing system is just a cover for your laziness. The gearing system is perfectly fine and significantly better than other moms. Go play rng swtor and tell me this games gear progression is bad lol. The only thing that is annoying is being unable to gear alts, but the actual system itself with drops/tomes/books is perfectly fine.

"Other MMO is worse" is not an argument as to why this MMO is fine. And considering the first point in the OP is about gearing alts, I don't know how you can try to respond as if alts aren't an issue, because ease of gearing alts is directly tied to the system used to give out gear (drops/tomes/books).

The system is good, but it's not perfect. Being good "enough" isn't a reason for saying that improvements shouldn't be suggested.



Personally, I only actually ever play BRD, so I don't need any changes to the system tbh. But I can see why others would, and I think some sort of system that let you easily gear an alt job after gearing your main may be useful.

[Stasya]

aha didn't know you can make a static with only 4 people(pls don't even start typing just find 4 other people lul) -> also disregards that leading a static actually takes a ton more work/effort than pf life, also disregards that some of my friends don't necessarily play at the same time as me every week since we're all working adults and some work at different times.
Also disregards that we all are smart enough that we 4 wouldn't even want to raid together because our level of play is different enough 2 of my friends just wouldn't mix. Our expectations on what we'd want out of the experience is just way different.
Making a static isn't a real solution to the party finder experience having become significantly less active than first tier.
Like when raiding becomes that inaccessible despite there being possible systemic solution I'll just stop playing to be honest.

Gearing problem affects both static splits people (what if bad tome bis rng gl waiting weeks for tomes for no reason) and pf only players.
"Solution" : just make static 4Head

No wonder i have this guy on ignore list here.

I have cleared p1-3s/p5-7s week 1, p4s week 3, p8s week 4 (very cool rng with hc2 traps), i play for more than a year and i still cant find savage static on DEAD EU REGION (this tier i got bis week 10 very cool, thankfully its useless since no one does logs on EU, i cant play the game, system doesnt even let me help other players because i will give them -1 chest)

And all these white knights can do is post pointless useless trash something something just find a static, statics are not affected!

[Yeastyloins]

The main that kills me about loot is the lack a variety in terms of gear acquisition with specifics to farming tomestones to cap. I wish there was more varied ways to farm tomestones in a week. Especially since once I hit cap for the week, it opens the option for me to be able to use my roulettes for example to level alt jobs.

Lol, the FFXIV system may suck, but careful what you wish for with WoW's system of loot. There's no coffers, no books either - tokens became a thing only in the last season (which they said is "experimental") - and expansion by expansion they're making it harder to gear within M+ by raising the max Key you need to do to get the best iLevel items - which will always be worse than Mythic Raids. You get the highest iLevel item only from the weekly "Vault", from where you pick only one item out of maximum 9 (3 each for raid, M+ and PvP if you fulfil all requirements).

And no, you can't do M+ Keys without raiding. Have even a slight knowledge of essential BiS like Trinkets and you'll be proved wrong.

The Vault's shitty RNG has nothing to do with FF14's gearing issues. If WoW lives rent free in your brain, why don't you go over here and work some of that out: https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/

[Stasya]

The Vault's shitty RNG has nothing to do with FF14's gearing issues. If WoW lives rent free in your brain, why don't you go over here and work some of that out: https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/

Thats a typical se white knight trying to derail "wow bad so we wont do anything in ff14"