Endgame gearing in FFXIV

[ForteNightshade]

So you can clear the same fight but 20 seconds faster(oh boi). Or have a ilvl to meet super endgame requirements. IMO there is no point.

That "20 seconds" could be the difference between skipping a mechanic, and thus clearing, or wiping on it because PF is inconsistent like that. It's also significantly more than "20 seconds". You can shave off a whole minute depending on the fight. Nevertheless, the whole point of RPGs for a lot of people is a sense of character progression. We're in week 9. I don't want to play a gimped version of Ninja over two months into the raid tier because I only just started being able to put gear towards a job that isn't my main. And I'm someone in a static who does splits. PF heroes can go literal months without getting a single drop. So that nine weeks is essentially nothing for them, especially since most people in PF aren't clearing the last fight in the fight two weeks.

Really, there's "no point" to doing anything. Why collect all the relics? They're only worth doing in the last patch where they're actually better than the raid weapons. Even then, they're replaced within two months by the next expansion. People enjoy progressing their character and want to gear alt jobs for the fun of it without having to wait 4-6 months.

Post-tier content like Criterion Savage or Ultimate require or are more viable in BiS.

Then we have this. I'm currently BiS on Warrior. I literally can't join any static looking for DPS for the upcoming Ultimate. It will simply take too long for me to get enough gear since I've already committed to healers as a secondary. So I either don't play healers or I don't play DPS for most of this tier. I can't do both unless I make a separate character.

[Deveryn]

Higher level / BiS gear also means you can pick up the slack and not worry about enrage when someone takes a liking to the floor.

[dspguy]

That "20 seconds" could be the difference between skipping a mechanic, and thus clearing, or wiping on it because PF is inconsistent like that.

Who is skipping mechanics before they clear their first time? For example, with "Skip Soar" - these were people that already cleared it. Hence my point from earlier. You already cleared it. You know the mechanics already.

The way I see it...

Either "git gud" (I hate that term) and learn to clear it with the entry-level gear plus minimal upgrades....
... or wait 10 weeks and buy your tomestone upgrades, savage chest drops, etc and skip mechanics

Either do your time (and gear up over time) or play better.

However, I still think that if you clear it once, you are good. Wait for the next tier and then you can just buy superior gear off the MB.

[Deveryn]

Who is skipping mechanics before they clear their first time? For example, with "Skip Soar" - these were people that already cleared it. Hence my point from earlier. You already cleared it. You know the mechanics already.

The way I see it...

Either "git gud" (I hate that term) and learn to clear it with the entry-level gear plus minimal upgrades....
... or wait 10 weeks and buy your tomestone upgrades, savage chest drops, etc and skip mechanics

Either do your time (and gear up over time) or play better.

However, I still think that if you clear it once, you are good. Wait for the next tier and then you can just buy superior gear off the MB.

That's just your opinion, man. Some people like to do the fights again because it's fun and / or they like helping people out.

[Hanayumi]

But to be fair, what's the point of gearing further if you already cleared it? To be ready for the next tier when pentamelded crafted gear will replace it all?

Id certainly would be more enthusiastic with raiding if they made the gear more valuable beyond ult and savage cri. Without straight up adding more content for such, best idea I saw was a gear exchange involving the newest piece of crafted gear+piece of raid gear to get a piece thats 5 slots and the same ilv as the crafted gear.

[Ransu]

Oh I can understand the mentality but it would make gear less boring. Could have a bonus for wearing a full set but no bonus for wearing mixed sets. Or have Grand Company gear(why is GC gear stuck at 50?) have a bonus but you can't meld materia on it.

Variety is the spice of life.

Or even just getting gear that did not require tomes. Just seems rather restrictive no?

Your character can play on all jobs but can only realistically gear up one job at any given time.

Unless tome and raid sets share set bonuses this would be a nightmare for BiS.

Set bonuses don't add any variety. The only thing they do is add more balance problems.

[Zetsumei_Tsunarashi]

My contribution to this thread:

Have a vendor that exchanges a piece of current tier tome/raid/crafted gear along with some Gil for a token that you can use to obtain a different piece of gear of the same type. That way you can still play multiple jobs without having multiple gear sets if you're willing to pay a fee.

Basically it's the xiv version of a talent respec in wow.

[ForteNightshade]

Who is skipping mechanics before they clear their first time? For example, with "Skip Soar" - these were people that already cleared it. Hence my point from earlier. You already cleared it. You know the mechanics already.

Cachexia 2 was skippable week one while War's Harvest is skippable by week 3 onward.

Now do I expect that in PF? Absolutely not. Nevertheless, the higher your overall DPS is, the higher your chances are for salvaging a run even if people die. Should they know the mechanic? Yes. Unfortunately, we rarely have the luxury of consistency in PF. There's a reason people locked out jobs in the early weeks of prog. Dark Knight simply gave you more wiggle room due to its monstrously higher damage in comparison to Warrior and Paladin.

As for "gitting gud." My dude, I was on P8Sp2 week one. This isn't a question of "gitting gud" but wanting to play through the fights again without having i610 crafted gear. As for why? Well, because it's fun? I couldn't understand for the life of me why people spam dungeons 100 times with their FC mates. I find dungeons painfully boring. That's me though. If they're having fun, more power to them. I wish I could feel the same. Meanwhile, those same players may feel incredibly stressed in Savage whereas I love the challenge.

I also like helping groups get their first clears or reclears going. Not to mention Ultimate. And then of course there's a website many of us enjoy ranking on.

There's a lot of reasons to keep doing Savage if you're so inclined. I wouldn't keep my sub if I only cleared once or twice.

[zabu]

Shit gearing system, I cleared p7s in week 1, cleared p8s week 3, still ilvl 622. SE, can you please do something? really pissed off

I do not understand why they even have piety and tenacity. SE can you either use these stat or remove?

[Elizasylen]

I second the notion of removing piety and tenacity from gears.