Endgame gearing in FFXIV

[Ransu]

go and play party finder savage for a bit and come back having that experience before talking?

I've done PF savage and it sucks because pugging sucks. Has nothing to do with the gearing system and my opinion on the gearing system wouldn't change even if I did PF full time. I would like a secondary system to gear alts, but the core design of the current gearing system is perfectly fine.

[Ransu]

In other words you just need to give your shit opinion on an issue you have no experience on and that won't affect you but you definitely feel the need to argue against changes that would positively affect other players?
That's for sure how a normal person thinks.... people like you are flatout crazy.

Like pls let me know how changes to facilitate better job fluidity in party finder savage will ruin the game for you. I guess in the end you just want people that aren't playing like you to stop playing the game. Very normal person behavior.

Like my guy sometimes when shit doesn't affect you, you can just not have your own opinion. Really nobody needs to hear a take about someone that doesn't engage with the system with how it's discussed. It's frankly worthless. Unless the changes proposed actually infringe on how you play the game .... I just don't understand why... it's like unfathomably levels of cooked brain attitude.

But it does effect me. Why change something that isn't broken? I've been through gear system changes in several mmos and the result is always worse than what we had before which wasn't even bad to begin with. Swtor being the biggest offender of that.

It used to have a very similar syste to what xiv has and people complained about it cuz of lockouts and other nonsense. The fix? They threw gear at you left and right and all of it was pure rng so you were spending most of your time throwing trash gear out that was cluttering your inventory. Oh and it basically killed the raiding scene cuz there were no guaranteed drops. You basically just spammed the fastest dungeon so you could destroy as much trash gear as possible for tech frags to buy what you needed which made gearing take longer and be more convoluted than the other system.

The grass isn't always greener. Again, I'd like an alternative system to make gearing alts a possibility, but the current system as a whole doesn't need to change, especially with the high possibility of things being worse if they were to change it.

[Yeastyloins]

At least with PF, I think the largest issue comes from the fact that there is nothing to stop individuals from rolling need on gear they do not "need". Nothing prevents a person from joining a PF in full bis and just swiping gear left and right from others who need something which makes every piece of loot outside of actual weapon drops from the final turn a 1/8 chance to win which in a way permanently difficult to get gear consistently outside of books. However I don't think there is a solution to this though without causing more issues and making it nigh impossible to gear alt jobs. The only thing I can think of is maybe making it so you are able to win two piece of gear from each floor, so for example you win the twine from P7s but lose the roll for the legs, then you could jump right back into P7s and clear it again for another chance on the legs. But I would be reluctant to the idea since it seems super strenuous on the player to have to double clear in the best case scenario every single floor, even worse should you not get your pieces within 1 to 2 clears per floor.

The issues with gearing is difficult to say what the optimal solution is since there are clear issues but the path forward is unclear.

[TomsYoungerBro]

But it does effect me. Why change something that isn't broken? I've been through gear system changes in several mmos and the result is always worse than what we had before which wasn't even bad to begin with. Swtor being the biggest offender of that.

It used to have a very similar syste to what xiv has and people complained about it cuz of lockouts and other nonsense. The fix? They threw gear at you left and right and all of it was pure rng so you were spending most of your time throwing trash gear out that was cluttering your inventory. Oh and it basically killed the raiding scene cuz there were no guaranteed drops. You basically just spammed the fastest dungeon so you could destroy as much trash gear as possible for tech frags to buy what you needed which made gearing take longer and be more convoluted than the other system.

The grass isn't always greener. Again, I'd like an alternative system to make gearing alts a possibility, but the current system as a whole doesn't need to change, especially with the high possibility of things being worse if they were to change it.

Didn't OP say the system is already good but just needs to be built upon? Not sure how your Swtor example relates to any suggestions from the OP, considering that example just throws the previous system to the wayside, and doesn't contradict any improvement suggestions made here...

[AwesomeJr44]

I've done PF savage and it sucks because pugging sucks.