Endgame gearing in FFXIV

[Stasya]

Gearing is more than fine

I think people like you are too gigabrain to be afk on forums, maybe its time to apply for world prog groups?

Basically, they feel left out of the "good" static scene because, for whatever reasons, they couldn't join a roster before that. While I don't think it's true, and that you can find good people progging well even two months after the release of new content, I can't blame them for not being willing to try, since even if they CAN find a good static, chance is they'll probably try one or two statics that won't be good for them, and that's a waste of time for everyone involved. If they're naturally introverted, it can be pretty exhausting to do.

I have spammed same message about group for couple months so well you got my point, if you want to play seriously on eu you have old friends who play there or idk leave to na.

And i dont want to let down some casual people but i sometime see messages from same people in lfg channel, again calling this raiding scene alive is an insult tbh, compare this to NA or JP, there are statistic about p8s clears released recently too

[Ransu]

go and play party finder savage for a bit and come back having that experience before talking?

I've done PF savage and it sucks because pugging sucks. Has nothing to do with the gearing system and my opinion on the gearing system wouldn't change even if I did PF full time. I would like a secondary system to gear alts, but the core design of the current gearing system is perfectly fine.

[Ransu]

In other words you just need to give your shit opinion on an issue you have no experience on and that won't affect you but you definitely feel the need to argue against changes that would positively affect other players?
That's for sure how a normal person thinks.... people like you are flatout crazy.

Like pls let me know how changes to facilitate better job fluidity in party finder savage will ruin the game for you. I guess in the end you just want people that aren't playing like you to stop playing the game. Very normal person behavior.

Like my guy sometimes when shit doesn't affect you, you can just not have your own opinion. Really nobody needs to hear a take about someone that doesn't engage with the system with how it's discussed. It's frankly worthless. Unless the changes proposed actually infringe on how you play the game .... I just don't understand why... it's like unfathomably levels of cooked brain attitude.

But it does effect me. Why change something that isn't broken? I've been through gear system changes in several mmos and the result is always worse than what we had before which wasn't even bad to begin with. Swtor being the biggest offender of that.

It used to have a very similar syste to what xiv has and people complained about it cuz of lockouts and other nonsense. The fix? They threw gear at you left and right and all of it was pure rng so you were spending most of your time throwing trash gear out that was cluttering your inventory. Oh and it basically killed the raiding scene cuz there were no guaranteed drops. You basically just spammed the fastest dungeon so you could destroy as much trash gear as possible for tech frags to buy what you needed which made gearing take longer and be more convoluted than the other system.

The grass isn't always greener. Again, I'd like an alternative system to make gearing alts a possibility, but the current system as a whole doesn't need to change, especially with the high possibility of things being worse if they were to change it.

[Yeastyloins]

At least with PF, I think the largest issue comes from the fact that there is nothing to stop individuals from rolling need on gear they do not "need". Nothing prevents a person from joining a PF in full bis and just swiping gear left and right from others who need something which makes every piece of loot outside of actual weapon drops from the final turn a 1/8 chance to win which in a way permanently difficult to get gear consistently outside of books. However I don't think there is a solution to this though without causing more issues and making it nigh impossible to gear alt jobs. The only thing I can think of is maybe making it so you are able to win two piece of gear from each floor, so for example you win the twine from P7s but lose the roll for the legs, then you could jump right back into P7s and clear it again for another chance on the legs. But I would be reluctant to the idea since it seems super strenuous on the player to have to double clear in the best case scenario every single floor, even worse should you not get your pieces within 1 to 2 clears per floor.

The issues with gearing is difficult to say what the optimal solution is since there are clear issues but the path forward is unclear.

[AwesomeJr44]

I've done PF savage and it sucks because pugging sucks.

[FireMage]

I think people like you are too gigabrain to be afk on forums, maybe its time to apply for world prog groups?

The recognition of my skill is appreciated, but I don't have the patience for that many hours in a week

[TomsYoungerBro]

But it does effect me. Why change something that isn't broken? I've been through gear system changes in several mmos and the result is always worse than what we had before which wasn't even bad to begin with. Swtor being the biggest offender of that.

It used to have a very similar syste to what xiv has and people complained about it cuz of lockouts and other nonsense. The fix? They threw gear at you left and right and all of it was pure rng so you were spending most of your time throwing trash gear out that was cluttering your inventory. Oh and it basically killed the raiding scene cuz there were no guaranteed drops. You basically just spammed the fastest dungeon so you could destroy as much trash gear as possible for tech frags to buy what you needed which made gearing take longer and be more convoluted than the other system.

The grass isn't always greener. Again, I'd like an alternative system to make gearing alts a possibility, but the current system as a whole doesn't need to change, especially with the high possibility of things being worse if they were to change it.

Didn't OP say the system is already good but just needs to be built upon? Not sure how your Swtor example relates to any suggestions from the OP, considering that example just throws the previous system to the wayside, and doesn't contradict any improvement suggestions made here...

[Absurdity]

It's not just a PF problem as well, I started this tier out in PF and then eventually found a static.. Yet, even in a static I haven't been able to get a single twine drop this entire time. I would ask for it every week, explaining how it would be a rather large improvement for me to shift away from tenacity(lel) into more optimal substats; and still, I just went unheard. All of the DPS in the group had 2-3 augmented lunar pieces, and the RDM that has been absent for two weeks rolls need on it even though they can buy twine with books by next reclear.. So, it was basically inefficient for the entire raid for them to roll on it.. I will need two more weeks of guaranteed twine or 8 more weeks of books just to reach BiS, to top it off the statics policy for p8s2 is weapons/chest to DPS first, and who is to say that after one of the DPS gets what they want that they don't just "take a break" or "call off". I am the only person in that static that has even cleared p8s2; after asking for twine for weeks(with me saying I desperately need just one), I quit. This loot system is awful, there is no excuse nor any defense when far better options have been suggested, when it is clear that there could be a far more fair way about things, not to even mention that in my case it is completely impossible for me to get even just one alt job to where I would like it regardless of if I put the time in to reclear every week.

To be honest, I would've quit a lot earlier if that story is true. Their loot system was obvious nonsense 10 weeks into the raid tier and with P8S getting nerfed. They either just planned to funnel loot to themselves and call it quits, your dps were incredibly bad or both.

[RobynDaBank]

Thats a typical se white knight trying to derail "wow bad so we wont do anything in ff14"

Wha? That's some very unnecessary hostility. I was talking to someone who said the game needs WoW's system, literally just scroll up. I just didn't quote them because I couldn't snip neatly on phone.

You people can get very insufferable. GL getting supporters on your side with that attitude.

[Themarvin]

Gearing is not slow unless you want for multiple jobs at once, current system makes sure you pick your favorite job to kit out first so there is a chance for some skill in the game... if want to do it same pace all classes, make one alt for each one of the jobs.