Endgame gearing in FFXIV

[Ransu]

Aha didn't know you can make a static with only 4 people(pls don't even start typing just find 4 other people lul) -> also disregards that leading a static actually takes a ton more work/effort than pf life, also disregards that some of my friends don't necessarily play at the same time as me every week since we're all working adults and some work at different times.
Also disregards that we all are smart enough that we 4 wouldn't even want to raid together because our level of play is different enough 2 of my friends just wouldn't mix. Our expectations on what we'd want out of the experience is just way different.
Making a static isn't a real solution to the party finder experience having become significantly less active than first tier. Like when raiding becomes that inaccessible despite there being possible systemic solution I'll just stop playing to be honest.
But honestly it's amazing how you couldn't even come up with any reasons yourself, like are you for real? Do you even know what it takes to raid savage? It sure doesn't seem like it... given how I think that anyone that would raid savage in PF just understands why they're doing that. Like contrary to what some people believe people aren't skipping joining statics cause they like being dicked over by the pf team roulette. They play in PF because that's what their life style allows for, it's simple as that.

But why even detract from the topic from this actual thread with some nonsense that is completely irrelevant. Like I hope you do understand me and my friends even if we were to make a successful static these problems just don't disappear and even if we assume it would work for my case I hope there at least enough braincells left to process that it's not a real solution for most players that play with pf. People have reasons for not playing in statics and it's good for the health of the game that content remains pf accessible but sure disagree and call people that aren't going the extra mile to participate in this content lazy.

Also for sure interesting that this question that is completely irrelevant and serves no actual point except just be anti changes comes again from another clown that doesn't actually seem to participate in PFing savage. Pls why do you people feel the need to even post in here. It literally doesn't affect yall.

Like anyone arguing against this is honestly a freaking weirdo. Like you're arguing against the wish of people of being able to play more jobs in party finder. What an absolute horror and how can players be so entitled???? Everything is fine stop demanding changes that won't affect myself. I hope people can look into themselves and actually realize how cringe that shit is.

Literally your entire rant comes down to its a you problem lol.

[Stasya]

get a static or bust

SE white knights forcing find static meme so much yet there is no ingame system to find one, you have to rely on third party stuff and also literally how alive your region is (cries in eu again)

[Ransu]

go and play party finder savage for a bit and come back having that experience before talking?

I've done PF savage and it sucks because pugging sucks. Has nothing to do with the gearing system and my opinion on the gearing system wouldn't change even if I did PF full time. I would like a secondary system to gear alts, but the core design of the current gearing system is perfectly fine.

[Ransu]

In other words you just need to give your shit opinion on an issue you have no experience on and that won't affect you but you definitely feel the need to argue against changes that would positively affect other players?
That's for sure how a normal person thinks.... people like you are flatout crazy.

Like pls let me know how changes to facilitate better job fluidity in party finder savage will ruin the game for you. I guess in the end you just want people that aren't playing like you to stop playing the game. Very normal person behavior.

Like my guy sometimes when shit doesn't affect you, you can just not have your own opinion. Really nobody needs to hear a take about someone that doesn't engage with the system with how it's discussed. It's frankly worthless. Unless the changes proposed actually infringe on how you play the game .... I just don't understand why... it's like unfathomably levels of cooked brain attitude.

But it does effect me. Why change something that isn't broken? I've been through gear system changes in several mmos and the result is always worse than what we had before which wasn't even bad to begin with. Swtor being the biggest offender of that.

It used to have a very similar syste to what xiv has and people complained about it cuz of lockouts and other nonsense. The fix? They threw gear at you left and right and all of it was pure rng so you were spending most of your time throwing trash gear out that was cluttering your inventory. Oh and it basically killed the raiding scene cuz there were no guaranteed drops. You basically just spammed the fastest dungeon so you could destroy as much trash gear as possible for tech frags to buy what you needed which made gearing take longer and be more convoluted than the other system.

The grass isn't always greener. Again, I'd like an alternative system to make gearing alts a possibility, but the current system as a whole doesn't need to change, especially with the high possibility of things being worse if they were to change it.

[Yeastyloins]

At least with PF, I think the largest issue comes from the fact that there is nothing to stop individuals from rolling need on gear they do not "need". Nothing prevents a person from joining a PF in full bis and just swiping gear left and right from others who need something which makes every piece of loot outside of actual weapon drops from the final turn a 1/8 chance to win which in a way permanently difficult to get gear consistently outside of books. However I don't think there is a solution to this though without causing more issues and making it nigh impossible to gear alt jobs. The only thing I can think of is maybe making it so you are able to win two piece of gear from each floor, so for example you win the twine from P7s but lose the roll for the legs, then you could jump right back into P7s and clear it again for another chance on the legs. But I would be reluctant to the idea since it seems super strenuous on the player to have to double clear in the best case scenario every single floor, even worse should you not get your pieces within 1 to 2 clears per floor.

The issues with gearing is difficult to say what the optimal solution is since there are clear issues but the path forward is unclear.

[TomsYoungerBro]

But it does effect me. Why change something that isn't broken? I've been through gear system changes in several mmos and the result is always worse than what we had before which wasn't even bad to begin with. Swtor being the biggest offender of that.

It used to have a very similar syste to what xiv has and people complained about it cuz of lockouts and other nonsense. The fix? They threw gear at you left and right and all of it was pure rng so you were spending most of your time throwing trash gear out that was cluttering your inventory. Oh and it basically killed the raiding scene cuz there were no guaranteed drops. You basically just spammed the fastest dungeon so you could destroy as much trash gear as possible for tech frags to buy what you needed which made gearing take longer and be more convoluted than the other system.

The grass isn't always greener. Again, I'd like an alternative system to make gearing alts a possibility, but the current system as a whole doesn't need to change, especially with the high possibility of things being worse if they were to change it.

Didn't OP say the system is already good but just needs to be built upon? Not sure how your Swtor example relates to any suggestions from the OP, considering that example just throws the previous system to the wayside, and doesn't contradict any improvement suggestions made here...

[AwesomeJr44]

I've done PF savage and it sucks because pugging sucks.