Endgame gearing in FFXIV

[AwesomeJr44]

When you have the chance to learn something new, when someone wants to teach you something new, when the chance comes, grab it, it may never come again. Sit down, shut up and LISTEN.

Trust me, I've tried. But every word of 'wisdom' that comes out of your mouth is nonsense and it's gotten to the point where it grates my ears.

But then you say shit like you don't need experience from this game to know the inner workings of its raiding scene. Why don't you apply your own advice?

Because they're not as wise as they think they are. If they were, they would indeed take their own advice.

[Kazhar]

Because they're not as wise as they think they are. If they were, they would indeed take their own advice.

Which is a pity, because their advice should be a good one. Always seek to learn.

But when it's followed by "btw I don't need to learn anymore I'm experienced", we're left with nothing but peak boomer nonsense.

[Minwu325]

Raiding on even a 2nd role after your main feels noticeably worse into the tier, i farmed barb EX at release perfectly fine on drg and sage and at this point i wouldn't even consider playing healer in savage or criterion lol. and if i decide i wanna heal in ex farms i'm basically making the kills take a minute longer every time.

[Schiggylicious]

Good points from OP and people actually engaging with the topic. Posting mostly so that this thread stays relevant as I hope it will be acknowledged by the devs.

The current system has been in place like this since Heavensward and Gordias if I'm not mistaken. There were 13 jobs at that time. While the system assumingly worked back then and still works somewhat currently, we have 19 combat jobs now and with 7.0 will probably be having 21.

The change of having gloves, head and feet only cost 4 books now is appreciated and definitely a step in the right direction, but surely not enough. As others have mentioned you get shoehorned into playing one role/job and cant really diversify yourself. If the party is not a min ilvl party why would I join with my healer wearing crafted if I could bring a BiS tank to the group, me wanting to play healer does not outweight the fact that I could contribute more to the party as a tank imo.

Honestly I'd be fine if the current savage tier would be unlocked with the following odd numbered major patch instead of 6 weeks before the new tier. Also cutting tome piece cost in half would be a good addition as well but doubling tome cap is not the way to go in my opinion, unless they double tome rewards also. With the additional 2 weeks they gave themselves per patch that'd mean that there's still ~4 months of what we have currently but 6.3 would be a true catchup patch, since it'd give everyone a decent amount of time to gear alts or just a different job for content like ultimate. People are still doing alliance raids for glamours, so even unlocking savage earlier would not invalidate alliance raids completely. Although with the addition of augmented crafted why not raise alliance gear to (savage itemlevel -5) so it longer stays relevant for casual players?

[DixieBellOCE]

Now you're just making stuff up, because it's pretty obvious to see that I full cleared last tier and have the mount from it. Didn't do this tier because my static imploded but that's a whole different story.

Stop replying to the troll.
The man hasn't even stepped foot into Asphodelos or Abyssos on savage.

If he enjoys his mid tier content like Extreme's, let him. But just ignore anything that comes out of his mouth about savage content because his opinion does not matter as he does not do the content.

[DixieBellOCE]

Something I've noticed for a long time now, is that the issues people often seem to have, are entirely self inflicted. You all bring these problems on yourselves.

See this alot with people that constantly imply that they wont do savage because 'its too hard' or because they are 'scared of being called out'.

Just practice and go in, nobody is going to say anything. If they do, move on and find another group.

Snowflake society is real.

[YukinaErde]

Going forward I'd like to see Square Enix take a leaf out of WoW's book. For PvE gearing, Mythic+ and Raiding can reach the same peak of the item level curve entirely independently of each other and you can do high level Mythic+ keys without ever needing to raid. Likewise the inverse is true if you like raiding but don't want to do Mythic+. This would require Criterion dungeons to be fleshed out into a system that's ready at the start of each raid tier so you can enter with the crafted/normal mode gear and progress to the same need point.

In general I do think the pace of gearing is far too slow, especially if you want multiple gear sets to be as powerful as possible on multiple jobs while playing a single character. Definitely feels like it's balanced solely to keep you playing longer and subscribing for more months per raid tier... although that's a somewhat expected design decision for a subscription MMO.

You think you do, but you dont. Its not uncommon in wow to go entire tiers or months/years without ever even coming close to your bis due to how much variance on gear/ilvl/stats there is.

[Deveryn]

Some of you sound ridiculous talking about savage tier like there's any kind of actual secret to this whole thing that I could never figure out without having been through it. You do the dances. You get the gear. You get the mount. GG. I'm very familiar with the scene from other games where it was actually worse, waiting to earn points to even roll on gear. This is nothing.

Something I've noticed for a long time now, is that the issues people often seem to have, are entirely self inflicted. You all bring these problems on yourselves.

It's very much self-inflicted and people would rather bicker and argue and try to make claims about other people's experience than come up with actual solutions to present to the devs.

For what it's worth, I came up with one, but I'm debating if it's worth sharing.

[Somnolence]

I think I just wanted to add that the end goal for me at least on speaking up about this is not I want bis on every job 8 weeks in or some nonsense.
I want steps to be taken that just enable me a more casual player to play at least one other job than the one I'm most geared with in a PF setting. It just feel immensely discouraging to trying any other roles for an average joe like me that doesn't clear week 1 and actually ramps up to it over several weeks of party finder grinding.
This clearly doesn't mean I need that job at bis ilevel but the acquisition rate at the very least should keep up with the average pf listing which after 4 weeks was like 615 and right now more and more 620 are popping up.
Gear acquisition seems to be the easiest thing to adjust on that front because there are certainly other solutions that could achieve the same thing but would actually hurt the larger player base.
For example disabling a pf item level requirement higher than the min ilevel requirement would achieve this for me too. But it also would hurt a lot of players that are able to beat savage because of the gear they slowly accumulate and for a healthy savage scene you want those people to get through it too over time.

The current situation is awful. I got crafted gear for my alts as its the only gear that is not time-gated, not penta-melded as that is too much investment for alts as well, but guess what, for the new criterion what would I play, my tank main that is 626 or 610 alts and feel like I am griefing?

[TomsYoungerBro]

Something I've noticed for a long time now, is that the issues people often seem to have, are entirely self inflicted. You all bring these problems on yourselves.

Dang you are so right. I should've just made 7 alts for an 8-way splits savage group! Then I can gear alt jobs properly .

/s