Endgame gearing in FFXIV

[Deveryn]

OP has a well written post, but I can't say that I agree with any points, moreso those following in some sort of agreement. SE has a clear formula for gearing up and despite what some might think, it actually works. Those that only do dungeon content can work on their BiS every week. Likewise for savage. There doesn't need to be an alternate route that takes people out of the pool of players pursuing that level of gear.

What is the actual rush? That's a rhetorical question btw, as I know there's no good answer.

So EW was for me the first time adventuring into savage content and i largely enjoy it but i definitely felt this lack of accessibility to 620 / 630 gear, its frustrating that i can only jump into savage content with my main job, and VC dungeons were a missing opportunity to at least have a 620 gear, they gave us good gear system in bozja/zadnor (late but good system) and it should have existed a similar system for VC as an alternative to the slow weekly cap on tomes and books, i do really hope they acknowledge this problem cuz it is a problem cuz playing criterion or savage goes against the philosophy of "play any job you want", my other jobs are a potato cuz i can't gear them SE.

People have hopped into savage and cleared the full tier week 1 with just crafted and one tome accessory (two acc or one body piece with this new grace period). People have probably done the same with criterion, as entry is 610.

Bozja / Zadnor offered nothing that one would honestly use anywhere outside of those zones. That gear was specifically made for that content, as well as glam purposes. Calling it midtier is false and we don't need more. If you want 620 gear, you should've had a full set done by now.

[TomsYoungerBro]

What is the actual rush? That's a rhetorical question btw, as I know there's no good answer.

Well the fact that Ultimates are tied to Savage tiers is one. Ultimates require near top ilvl to clear current, and PFs usually require Highest ilvl - 1 or 2. You can't get those numbers on multiple jobs consistently even if you clear week 1.

People have hopped into savage and cleared the full tier week 1 with just crafted and one tome accessory (two acc or one body piece with this new grace period). People have probably done the same with criterion, as entry is 610.

This is also just not true, at least for the savage version of criterion. People were hitting dungeon enrage on the savage version at the highest ilvl. And mind you, this content was practiceable through the hard mode, so the savage was not blind progged. Players were already somewhat optimal with damage. Hitting near the enrage 20 ilvls higher than minimum is doom and gloom for someone trying at min ilvl. This is content released merely 8 weeks after savage. You again need more gear to realistically do this content.

[Deveryn]

Well the fact that Ultimates are tied to Savage tiers is one. Ultimates require near top ilvl to clear current, and PFs usually require Highest ilvl - 1 or 2. You can't get those numbers on multiple jobs consistently even if you clear week 1.







This is also just not true, at least for the savage version of criterion. People were hitting dungeon enrage on the savage version at the highest ilvl. And mind you, this content was practiceable through the hard mode, so the savage was not blind progged. Players were already somewhat optimal with damage. Hitting near the enrage 20 ilvls higher than minimum is doom and gloom for someone trying at min ilvl. This is content released merely 8 weeks after savage. You again need more gear to realistically do this content.

And where is this Ultimate that people need to clear? Another 8 weeks away maybe?

Going back to my point about the rush: Everything is paced so that you can get what you need by the time the next content comes out. If you're not doing ultimate and just want to clear savage at some point or just have much better gear, maybe it's better to just wait til x.1 x.3 or x.5 when you can more easily grab those upgrade bits from nuts and alliance raids.

It's Day 3 of V&C. There's plenty of time to figure things out.

[TomsYoungerBro]

And where is this Ultimate that people need to clear? Another 8 weeks away maybe?

Going back to my point about the rush: Everything is paced so that you can get what you need by the time the next content comes out. If you're not doing ultimate and just want to clear savage at some point or just have much better gear, maybe it's better to just wait til x.1 x.3 or x.5 when you can more easily grab those upgrade bits from nuts and alliance raids.

It's Day 3 of V&C. There's plenty of time to figure things out.

Your point still falls short since crafted gear isn't going to get me into ultimate on an alt job XD. I'm not sure what your point is here. How will Yoshi P ask me to please play healer for the ultimate when I simply couldn't even if I wanted to?

[Ivtrix]

Your point still falls short since crafted gear isn't going to get me into ultimate on an alt job XD. I'm not sure what your point is here. How will Yoshi P ask me to please play healer for the ultimate when I simply couldn't even if I wanted to?

he doesnt raid, he doesnt know you are required to be bis or near bis to even bother with ultimate content

[Jettinson]

As a non raider is painful, i still need 3 more tome accessories + a single weapon for tank (which luckily i already have the Ultralight Tomestone) to get almost full ilv620 (with Purgatory or Rinascita as 2nd ring ilv610). Rest are forced to get the latest crafted set\purgatory (and some jobs i still use the latest dungeon gear).

There could be something to ease up a little for alt jobs with the tomes? Not asking to be immediate uber geared but at that point it's a lot of time and sub spent for a single role\class

[AurisNix]

OP has a well written post, but I can't say that I agree with any points, moreso those following in some sort of agreement. SE has a clear formula for gearing up and despite what some might think, it actually works. Those that only do dungeon content can work on their BiS every week. Likewise for savage. There doesn't need to be an alternate route that takes people out of the pool of players pursuing that level of gear.

What is the actual rush? That's a rhetorical question btw, as I know there's no good answer.



People have hopped into savage and cleared the full tier week 1 with just crafted and one tome accessory (two acc or one body piece with this new grace period). People have probably done the same with criterion, as entry is 610.

Bozja / Zadnor offered nothing that one would honestly use anywhere outside of those zones. That gear was specifically made for that content, as well as glam purposes. Calling it midtier is false and we don't need more. If you want 620 gear, you should've had a full set done by now.

lmao so your argument is that if week one hardcore raiders can clear savage with 610 PENTAMELDED gear then everyone should able to do so? sorry im not week one raider and i dont plan to become one i didnt start raiding in week one either or have a static and sure as hell im not gillionare to get a pentamelded gear, i jumped as a casual player and did prog blind and then prog some more with guides and thats how i had lot of fun but then i found myself waiting long time in pf for a spot cuz i had a low ilvl or there was no spot for my job in pf and couldnt join as another job cuz my gear would just suck, at this point all my alt jobs have 610 but i know that if i jump criterion p7s or p8s with my mch with a potato 610 gear ill just be a pain in the ass for everyone and thats no fun at all, and zadnor gave 525 ilvl that had better stats than a 510 gear. the only time to "figure it out" as you say is to wait every week to cap tomes or books and pray for a good rng to get a 630. ive been farming books no matter how good my gameplay was

[AwesomeJr44]

People have hopped into savage and cleared the full tier week 1 with just crafted and one tome accessory (two acc or one body piece with this new grace period). People have probably done the same with criterion, as entry is 610.

What a stupid argument. "Week 1 raiders cleared with crafted gear, so gearing speed doesn't matter. Just clear with crafted gear lol" Well I guess if week 1 raiders cleared with crafted, then there must be no point in getting new gear at all then? After all, we can always just clear with crafted gear, right?

Have you considered that maybe people want better gear to make clearing things easier? Not everyone's a week 1 world first raider who wants to go into P8S with nothing but crafted gear. Just because you can go into P8S with crafted gear doesn't mean that everyone should. I 100% guarantee this guy has never cleared a savage tier. He clearly doesn't understand how they work.

Deveryn's here with the nonsense take, as usual.