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  1. #1
    Player
    colmanja's Avatar
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    Elron Rivendell
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    Goblin
    Main Class
    Thaumaturge Lv 5

    Returning player why did they mess up Summoner and take away my battle helpers

    I am a level 60 Summoner. I stop playing for a while and when I returned I can no longer use Garuda, Ifrit, etc. And I lost at least seven of my actions. How am I supposed to get back into the swing of things if they take away all important actions and helpers.
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    Player Ransu's Avatar
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    Leaving my SAM in Kugane
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    Character
    Raansu Omiyari
    World
    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Samurai Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by colmanja View Post
    I am a level 60 Summoner. I stop playing for a while and when I returned I can no longer use Garuda, Ifrit, etc. And I lost at least seven of my actions. How am I supposed to get back into the swing of things if they take away all important actions and helpers.
    The expansion completely redesigned the job and it feels half baked at anything below level 90.
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  3. #3
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    Baxcel's Avatar
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    Character
    Baxcel Farshot
    World
    Lamia
    Main Class
    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by colmanja View Post
    I am a level 60 Summoner. I stop playing for a while and when I returned I can no longer use Garuda, Ifrit, etc. And I lost at least seven of my actions. How am I supposed to get back into the swing of things if they take away all important actions and helpers.
    They changed most of the skills, you'll need to re-read about every skill and completely change your hotbar for the new flow of the job..

    It's very basic and kinda boring once the newness wears off.. an it sucks to be synced below lv86 or 88 whenever you get the bonus actions for the 3 minior summons.
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  4. #4
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    Darkstride's Avatar
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    Aug 2013
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    Limsa Lominsa
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    Character
    Ruin Darkstride
    World
    Excalibur
    Main Class
    Sage Lv 100
    You don't have "pets" anymore. Instead, you go through phases where you temporarily summon each of the Primals' likenesses to alter your spells and deliver attacks.
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  5. #5
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    Jeeqbit's Avatar
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    Character
    Oscarlet Oirellain
    World
    Jenova
    Main Class
    Warrior Lv 100
    If your actions are all crossed out, you can open Actions & Traits which is in the Character menu and drag the new actions onto the hotbar. You do have summons, but they only appear temporarily to cast their main attack and then imbue you with an element. The rest of the time you will have Carbuncle out, but you can change its glamour with /egiglamour Carbuncle Garuda-Egi or /egiglamour Carbuncle Ifrit-Egi.

    Summoners in Final Fantasy games would typically call upon a summon to perform its main attack and then they would disappear, while a few more recent games have them appear as temporary pets. But whether you prefer one or the other, Summoner was neither of these because it spent a lot of time applying dots, casting Ruin and using baby versions of those summons called egis.

    To make it the way most people see a Summoner, it was changed so that you summon it to do its main attack the same way as in many other Final Fantasy games, but after that you can use attacks of the same element as the summon.

    Before level 90 they are still egis, but eventually they become larger versions.

    The change was necessary because of complaints that Summoner had too many buttons and there wasn't much room for them to add more of them, so something needed to change.

    Unfortunately, because it plays a lot differently now, people who enjoy dot classes are left unhappy but it was a less popular job before. The closest alternative for dots is bard.
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    In other news, there is no technical debt from 1.0.
    "We don't have ... a technological issue that was carried over from 1.0, because ARR was meant to kind of discard what we had from 1.0 and rebuild it from the engine."
    https://youtu.be/ge32wNPaJKk?t=560

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeeqbit View Post
    Want to know why new content will never last more than 20 minutes? Full breakdown:

  6. #6
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    not_ya_wify's Avatar
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    Character
    Tyria Xepheles
    World
    Siren
    Main Class
    Carpenter Lv 90
    They redesigned summoner to actually be a summoner. It's a lot better than it was and they finally did it after years of complaints about why summoner has nothing to do with summoning. They did redesign the whole class but once you get in the swing of things you'll see it's so much better and by lvl 90 you actually get to summon which makes this probably the most fun job in the game now.
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  7. #7
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    NarionAelrindel's Avatar
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    Character
    Narion Aelrindel
    World
    Tonberry
    Main Class
    Scholar Lv 90
    I like the new summoner. It was a Dot class before and using the egis was clunky.
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