A game for 4 year olds

[Absimiliard]

The uh... Omicrons weren't destroyed. They still exist, unchanged but in stasis for the time being. Their mirrors in Ultima Thule even went so far as to try and reactivate them, knowing it would doom all life in the universe. In fact, that was precisely why the faux Omicrons wanted to reactivate them. They want to "improve" themselves only as a means of survival, not because they in any way regret the actions of their templates. They've even said they would resume their mission if they could. In other words, barring some retcons or some really weird writing, the Omicrons remain an existential threat to everything. What's to stop them from trying to send another signal to the originals? Their reactivation means the end of all life.

We as players are of course well aware the writing is highly unlikely to take a dark turn like that. More and more, the game has been steering away from things that are vantablack levels of dark. Whatever final outcome the Omicrons get, it will somehow be something wholesome. And this is where I've taken umbrage, not at the concept of a former enemy bettering themselves. In this case it's a bunch of machines, most of whom do not even have free will to start with, being set up to undergo a profound internal change, in complete defiance of their programming. Even Omega, the most advanced thing to ever come from them (and having evolved well beyond its original programming and limitations) could never fully free itself from its Omicron mindset.

I wouldn't have taken issue with it at all if the writers spelled out how these behaviors were absolutely empty and being undertaken for purely pragmatic reasons. Faux or real, the one thing the Omicrons were programmed to do above all else was survive. Playing nice could very easily be construed in this manner, and it would make perfect sense.

And as for Emet-Selch? If the reborn Emet-Selch were to attempt something that would result in the destruction of another world, yes, at that point they could be held to account whether or not the plan succeeded. Intention matters a lot, and a good deal of what we've seen of the Omicrons indicates their intentions are still very hostile.

[kaynide]

What's to stop them from trying to send another signal to the originals? Their reactivation means the end of all life.

The one boss Omicron who decided not to- that was the entire point of that section…that the Copycroms (at least due to their leader) decided there was more to life than destruction, literally doing the opposite in nurturing that tree.

The entire point there was to show them as no longer needing to be massively destructive. The Alpha/Omega sidequest in 6.x only reaffirms this when Omega wants nothing more than to figure out what “heart” is and gets confused-yet-appreciative of our companionship. I forget the details but it was along the lines of there being more life than just being strong.

[Absimiliard]

The one boss Omicron who decided not to- that was the entire point of that section…that the Copycroms (at least due to their leader) decided there was more to life than destruction, literally doing the opposite in nurturing that tree.

The entire point there was to show them as no longer needing to be massively destructive. The Alpha/Omega sidequest in 6.x only reaffirms this when Omega wants nothing more than to figure out what “heart” is and gets confused-yet-appreciative of our companionship. I forget the details but it was along the lines of there being more life than just being strong.

That "one boss Omicron" is not the only one capable of issuing commands, and the others do still want to resume their original mission.

Omega may have had a change of "heart," but it remains bound by its Omicron way of thinking. We're told this more than once, with one such instance even seeing confirmation Omega would eventually return to its original mission once it had its answers. Omega has essentially become the Brainiac of FFXIV (which, incidentally, I find very pleasing). Mission's still there, but some parameters are now subject to change.

[kaynide]

That "one boss Omicron" is not the only one capable of issuing commands, and the others do still want to resume their original mission.

And yet, despite eons and eons of being able to do such, not once did anyone actually do so.

This inaction/restraint speaks volumes, even if it’s a
A) “so watcha wanna do?”
B) “I dunno, whatcha wanna do?”
A) “I dunno”

And then, despite not committing to pushing that red button, they presumably jump at doing something -anything- else (aka open a restaurant or whatever the tribe quest plot is).


Also, agreed- Omega is fantastic. Going from “I’ll be fine in this cold” to “oh gawd carry me T_T” was fun times.

Combine that with how nobody in game or out seems to care that we're entreating fairly with the literal Terminator mass murderers who demonstrated the willingness and capability to restart their war of conquest, well surely you can comprehend why I have little to no faith in this fandom's ability to judge people fairly and evenly without being tainted by preconceived bias based on the atrocities of a fictional race.

Again, these are actually, literally, NOT mass murderer robots, but carbon copies created by Meteion, and despite every opportunity/thousands of years to “restart their war of conquest”, they literally did not.

You might be mad thinking that we don’t care about mass murderers, but please consider that you don’t have a handle on the actual information the game is clearly telling you if you pay attention.

[Scott]

I found this new Tribal quest incredible charming and heartwarming

[SentioftheHoukai]

I'm not completely convinced those here would be able to let go of their preconceived biases and hatred even if we did see Emet-Selch's reincarnation in our lifetime. A certain someone on here implied that the Emet-Selch of Elpis was guilty of the crimes of the Emet-Selch of the 7th Astral Era and beyond and posited this as evidence of Azem's serial bad judgement in picking their allies wisely, and wished for the capability to maliciously list every last atrocity the Elidibus we the WoL know straight to Themis' face just to be an inconsiderate, intolerant ass about it. In other words, many on here have proven through their words and actions that they'd see those who would go on to become the Ascians dished out punitive action for pre-crime.

Combine that with how nobody in game or out seems to care that we're entreating fairly with the literal Terminator mass murderers who demonstrated the willingness and capability to restart their war of conquest, well surely you can comprehend why I have little to no faith in this fandom's ability to judge people fairly and evenly without being tainted by preconceived bias based on the atrocities of a fictional race. It really is quite laughable when you think about it. The devs' build of the 'canon' WoL is no better in this regard, picking and choosing when to be absolutely affronted by evil, and who is somehow through some asinine, insane logic is for whatever reason worthy of all-encompassing, ultimate forgiveness.

[Lyth]

The Omicron existential crisis was around losing track of their sense of self through an endless series of augmentations. It was the opposite of most conquering empires - they had no sense of ego or 'self' strong enough to give them purpose and push them onwards to further conquests, which eventually pulled their society into a standstill. There was no mission. They desired no legacy. They had nothing to prove.

This sort of setup could always be exploited to turn them against us, but I'm sure that Omega would have something to say about that.

[Slatersev]

Also, its been mentioned already, but using Vidofnir, the dragon who's literal introduction to the story was her being ready and willing to let go of old hate and to move on, and was actively working towards it, as an example of the game being "kiddiefied" or whatever is bizarre, your basically arguing that her previous characterization should be chucked into the bin.

And that was against a people who had directly harmed her own for over a thousand years, why would she have any issue with making peace with innocent recreations, when even the orginals there based on misdeeds happened before her father, let alone her were born?

[aveyond-dreams]

Also, its been mentioned already, but using Vidofnir, the dragon who's literal introduction to the story was her being ready and willing to let go of old hate and to move on, and was actively working towards it, as an example of the game being "kiddiefied" or whatever is bizarre, your basically arguing that her previous characterization should be chucked into the bin.

And that was against a people who had directly harmed her own for over a thousand years, why would she have any issue with making peace with innocent recreations, when even the orginals there based on misdeeds happened before her father, let alone her were born?

Wow it's almost as if you can do that without having quests that revolve around the intergalatic cafe of hopes and dreams

[AwesomeJr44]

Wow it's almost as if you can do that without having quests that revolve around the intergalatic cafe of hopes and dreams

I've been playing through the Omicron quests and I keep having to ask myself why they thought the cafe part was necessary. There is an entire mysterious new area (Elysion) that would have sufficed for the tribal quest story on its own. Why does there need to be this stupid cafe exactly?