A game for 4 year olds

[rainichan]

You may have your forum systems confused. This one doesn't seem to have PMs in any capacity, and ignoring people does hide their posts, although you'll still see them indirectly if somebody else quotes them.

Hm, maybe. I'll give it a shot.

[KariTheFox]

The issue with suggesting that some of the provinces are better off under Garlean rule is that not even the Garleans are better off under Garlean rule. Even with Bozja's capital melted and Rabanastre bombed to rubble, the Garleans have probably ended up being the most badly affected by the Garlean Empire and now exist as refugees in their own homeland.

The idea that anyone is actually better off as colonial subjects has some pretty troubling real life implications - especially given the rhetoric that resembles justifications for the Japanese Empire that is woven into the ideological motivations of the Garlean Empire.

I've got no problem with Garlemald holding on to provinces though, for whatever political, economic or demographic reasons, I just would feel pretty off put if the narrative framed this as an unambigous good for the colonized population like some posters are asking for.

[EgilTheStressedMage]

Why are you guys still not putting these people on ignore? At this point you must have realized they are intentionally trolling you and playing the victim hoping you'll slip up so they can report you and get you banned.

Anyway, I hope we get some kind of a conclusion to the Ra-La worshipers. It dawned on me that the bloodsworn reputation tribe quest is usually a prologue kind of a thing, so I don't know how in-depth we'll get into those Ra-La fellas.

I don’t put anyone on ignore or use my blacklist. I want everyone to have a say even if I don’t like or agree with it.

[Tehmon]

I don’t put anyone on ignore or use my blacklist. I want everyone to have a say even if I don’t like or agree with it.

Okay? Good for you?

[Alleo]

Because Kazemon's post calling someone a russian sympathizer for liking Garlemald is a lot worse than someone saying you're 'off-putting' for liking in-game characters. They're similar on paper but one is far more extreme than the other.

They are not more extreme. He still says that someone liking something in a game means that there is something wrong with them in real life. He is not saying that the stance itself might be off putting, he is connecting it to me as a real person. Someone that he hopes does not play other games with in his opinion better stories.

The same with calling people childish or four years old and lets not even talk about the stunt he did with saying that those liking the story have not lost anyone or are not griefing like real human beings. He does the same as the poster with her russian comment. Connecting the real person behind the player to things happening in the game or with their likes.

So no its the same. But he is on the "hate Endwalker side" so thats why its probably fine. If anyone on our side had commented on him not having lost someone, him not handling loss like a real human being or him being off putting as a person because he likes grim dark stories, I am sure you all would be here posting about this. (And rightfully so because personal attacks like those are horrible)

Why are you guys still not putting these people on ignore? At this point you must have realized they are intentionally trolling you and playing the victim hoping you'll slip up so they can report you and get you banned.

Anyway, I hope we get some kind of a conclusion to the Ra-La worshipers. It dawned on me that the bloodsworn reputation tribe quest is usually a prologue kind of a thing, so I don't know how in-depth we'll get into those Ra-La fellas.

I am not putting people on ignore because I feel that its like running away from it. Also I am a curious person and I would then wonder whats happening. (I wish to read it with my own eyes instead of being told by others) But I do agree that we probably should ignore the posts more and I will do so from this point forward. Its clear now, that some here simply cant try to discuss things without personal insulting others and since there seems to be no consequences for that here, I wont deal with it anymore.

About the beast tribe:

I too wonder how they will solve the problem with the Ra-La worshippers. They seem to be another race that is a hivemind, so maybe they only need to change one mind to change the others?
Still interesting how many hivemind races we had in this game and that most of them (if not all) end badly.

Maybe they also change it and do make the last quest something more big. Or maybe its a sign that there will be a allied quest. I doubt that they will leave them open. (At the same time there was no message that there is still barren land left in Elysium)

[MikkoAkure]

Isn't that the more reason to support a leader who's going to change garlemald for the better?

If the eorzean City states are afforded second chance after their crimes, why can't garlemald as well?

Eorzea’s crimes aren’t the same as Garlemald’s crimes. Thousands upon thousands if not millions of people were killed in conquest. The only actual number we know is 70,000 in just one battle in Othard. The cities of Rabanastre and Doma were reduced to rubble because they didn’t want to be Garlean. The people they conquer are often conscripted and forced to fight against other countries on the other side of the planet or are even experimented on.

Limsa Lominsa made peace with the Kobolds and the Sahagin, Ul’dah came to the rescue of the Amalj’aa, Ishgard put down their war with the dragons and decided to work together. In what world would it then make sense for the Garleans after everything they’ve done to suddenly make everything OK and keep their empire just because they have a new leader?

Even if the new leader is well-meaning, many of the provinces don’t want to stay. Corvos, the entire fake-objective of Garlean expansionism is gone for them and the legions are broken. The successful rebellions in Ala Mhigo and Doma inspired more than just Dalmasca to rise up again. Rabanastre being bombed by airships quieted that down, but we know that they’re not the only ones.


Aveyond very obviously took inspiration from FFXII for his re-write. The difference between the Garlean Empire and the Archadian Empire of FFXII though, is that the Archadian Empire doesn’t go through two civil wars over its succession between the rules of Gramis, Vayne, and Larsa, and their military isn’t destroyed, surrendered, or deserted. The Archadian Empire has no rebellions against its rule at the time the game takes place, except for Dalmasca which it gives back at the end of the game after failing to put it down and their emperor dying after becoming a monster.

All-in-all, the Garlean Empire is an unstable mess that was never meant to be a real, sustainable empire. Reforms at this point would come too late because the provinces are in open rebellion. Even if you take away the events of EW, Garlemald’s military and legitimacy are severely depleted from two civil wars, a front in stalemate at the Ghimlyt Dark, the loss of Doma, Bozja, Dalmasca, Nagxia, Ala Mhigo, and Werlyt, 1/3 of Garlemald's legions have been lost in Eorzea (including the one sitting around doing nothing, leaderless in Azys Lla with a giant airship, for some reason), one legion completely deserts to try to make their own country (and fails), and the reformist faction has been purged.

[Cleretic]

Why are you guys still not putting these people on ignore? At this point you must have realized they are intentionally trolling you and playing the victim hoping you'll slip up so they can report you and get you banned.

Anyway, I hope we get some kind of a conclusion to the Ra-La worshipers. It dawned on me that the bloodsworn reputation tribe quest is usually a prologue kind of a thing, so I don't know how in-depth we'll get into those Ra-La fellas.

Personally, I rarely do block people here, just because it doesn't block the posts of everyone arguing with them, nor does it block them from seeing my posts (which would at least be a nice way to thumb my nose), so this sort of bad poster isn't super useful to block. I tend to save the blocking for people who either are either EXTREMELY long-winded to the point where bloocking them just saves me a lot of reading time, or people with extremely terrible signatures (the latter people mostly have very bad posts anyway, so that's a two-for-one). And one person who outright SAID they're invested in and somehow hurt by Endwalker to a legitimately unhealthy degree, so I just blocked them because it felt like the kindest thing to do, but that was a weird outlier.

And as to the Bloodsworn quest... someone has mentioned to me something noticed in datamining about it. I usually don't think that's okay to post datamined stuff (or necessarily all that useful), but since this entire thread was predicated on it, I might as well.

The Bloodsworn quest, 'Life, the Universe, and Coffee Beans' (since every milestone quest has been a modified version of a Hitchhiker's Guide title, we finally hit the last one standing), does mention going to the Last Dregs and seeing the Nibirun there. That's just the journal entry, and we know those are often extremely low on context, so it does sound like they're at least gonna get addressed.

[DPZ2]

Isn't that the more reason to support a leader who's going to change garlemald for the better?

If the eorzean City states are afforded second chance after their crimes, why can't garlemald as well?

You have been following the stories in the game regarding Maximus quo Priscus, aka Maximus Noeterric, right? A former member of the Populares (who were betrayed to Zenos through the traitor Asahi sas Brutus), Maximus's storyline has been ongoing since.

Maximus has remained in Garlemald since the Eorzean Nations' relief effort and is well positioned to be such a leader.

The other thing of note to remember is that the "Garlean Empire" is only about 60 years old. There were not any provinces under Garlean Rule until Nhalmasque was conquered in 1517. (Take that information from Encyclopedia Eorzea II, as it is briefly mentioned in the first volume that the territory was Dalmasca).

The only 'nobility' the Garleans have had have been solely related to Emet-Selch in his role as Solus zos Galvus. As far as we can tell, it was a true Republic up until that time.

Garlemald was built up in those 60 years on the backs of what one assumes (given context from our Yanxia questing) forced labor. The only one of the conquered territories where revolution was fomenting before the Garleans appeared was Ala Mhigo. It is incorrect to assume that every conquered territory was in need of the Empire to lay down it "oh-so-gentle" iron fist to put down the local government.

It would be correct to assume that now that the fist has been removed, the people in the conquered territories are going to have to decide for themselves how to proceed. I dismiss the thought that those territories might welcome the rule of an iron fist if it was enclosed in a velvet glove as fantasy, even for this game.

The conquered territories are no longer the problem of the Garleans themselves. The problem that remains is how to move forward. Empire isn't going to work for them. "Making nice" with the recently freed territories is going to be of primary importance in the survival of what, I assume, will become a form of the Republic that once was. One without titles.

The goal of the Populares was admirable. There is a leader available to pursue such thoughts of peace for everyone (not just the Legions).

Time will tell. And, like Ala Mhigo, most of that will be done off-screen. For it is no longer part of the story of the Warrior of Light.

[Iscah]

I don’t put anyone on ignore or use my blacklist. I want everyone to have a say even if I don’t like or agree with it.

That's a good attitude to have up to a point, and I held onto it for an incredibly long time. I do think it's important to listen to everyone in a discussion, and even people I disagree with deeply on some subjects have interesting things to say on others.

However, some people here don't really seem interested in discussing the game, only telling us how it should be a different story at a fundamental level while calling others immature, foolish or tasteless for disagreeing with them, and they're not interested in coming around to a different opinion, so debating seems futile.

So if I'm not going to reply, and the posts are pure negativity, then for my own sake it is much better to block them out. It has taken me a long time to reach this point with any one poster, and I wish I didn't reach it at all, but I did. And the forum is immediately more calm and pleasant without certain voices.

I also think that in a properly moderated forum, some of what is said here would not be allowed to be said. So if the mods aren't going to moderate, then I'm going to have to do the closest thing I have the power to do myself.

Also, you can still see that blocked users have posted, and click to reveal individual posts. So it can be good even if you just want to give yourself that bit more space and choice whether to read a post.

people with extremely terrible signatures

There's a setting to hide all signatures, which I prefer anyway.

[DPZ2]

There's a setting to hide all signatures, which I prefer anyway.

Thank you so much for this information! I had not realized there was a way to turn off annoying signatures that appear to be most of any given message anymore.