A game for 4 year olds

[AwesomeJr44]

That's a good attitude to have up to a point, and I held onto it for an incredibly long time. I do think it's important to listen to everyone in a discussion, and even people I disagree with deeply on some subjects have interesting things to say on others.

So if I'm not going to reply, and the posts are pure negativity, then for my own sake it is much better to block them out. It has taken me a long time to reach this point with any one poster, and I wish I didn't reach it at all, but I did. And the forum is immediately more calm and pleasant without certain voices.

I tried this idea and it worked wonders. I've put up with a lot of nonsensical screeching from various posters on the forums, believing that there might be some value in refraining from blocking them out, but last night I grew tired of this never-ending farce and put the worst offenders on the ignore list. I've always wondered why Aveyond doesn't bother with a good chunk of the posters over in general and now I guess I know why.

[Kozh]

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Isn't that the more reason to support a leader who's going to change garlemald for the better?

If the eorzean City states are afforded second chance after their crimes, why can't garlemald as well?

"The issue with suggesting that some of the provinces are better off under Garlean rule is that not even the Garleans are better off under Garlean rule. Even with Bozja's capital melted and Rabanastre bombed to rubble, the Garleans have probably ended up being the most badly affected by the Garlean Empire and now exist as refugees in their own homeland."

But as you said before, it's because an ascian created their empire. Said ascian are now gone. So now it's the time for garlean to decide their own future. The game already did give us that, but again, it's too little.


It's going to be hard to rewrite and include all of these in canon EW considering the game has to crammed so many things. But in a hypothetical garlean expansion, or in the next expansions, I think this scenario would fit well enough.

[DPZ2]

Isn't that the more reason to support a leader who's going to change garlemald for the better?

If the eorzean City states are afforded second chance after their crimes, why can't garlemald as well?

You have been following the stories in the game regarding Maximus quo Priscus, aka Maximus Noeterric, right? A former member of the Populares (who were betrayed to Zenos through the traitor Asahi sas Brutus), Maximus's storyline has been ongoing since.

Maximus has remained in Garlemald since the Eorzean Nations' relief effort and is well positioned to be such a leader.

The other thing of note to remember is that the "Garlean Empire" is only about 60 years old. There were not any provinces under Garlean Rule until Nhalmasque was conquered in 1517. (Take that information from Encyclopedia Eorzea II, as it is briefly mentioned in the first volume that the territory was Dalmasca).

The only 'nobility' the Garleans have had have been solely related to Emet-Selch in his role as Solus zos Galvus. As far as we can tell, it was a true Republic up until that time.

Garlemald was built up in those 60 years on the backs of what one assumes (given context from our Yanxia questing) forced labor. The only one of the conquered territories where revolution was fomenting before the Garleans appeared was Ala Mhigo. It is incorrect to assume that every conquered territory was in need of the Empire to lay down it "oh-so-gentle" iron fist to put down the local government.

It would be correct to assume that now that the fist has been removed, the people in the conquered territories are going to have to decide for themselves how to proceed. I dismiss the thought that those territories might welcome the rule of an iron fist if it was enclosed in a velvet glove as fantasy, even for this game.

The conquered territories are no longer the problem of the Garleans themselves. The problem that remains is how to move forward. Empire isn't going to work for them. "Making nice" with the recently freed territories is going to be of primary importance in the survival of what, I assume, will become a form of the Republic that once was. One without titles.

The goal of the Populares was admirable. There is a leader available to pursue such thoughts of peace for everyone (not just the Legions).

Time will tell. And, like Ala Mhigo, most of that will be done off-screen. For it is no longer part of the story of the Warrior of Light.

[rainichan]

Why are you guys still not putting these people on ignore? At this point you must have realized they are intentionally trolling you and playing the victim hoping you'll slip up so they can report you and get you banned.

Anyway, I hope we get some kind of a conclusion to the Ra-La worshipers. It dawned on me that the bloodsworn reputation tribe quest is usually a prologue kind of a thing, so I don't know how in-depth we'll get into those Ra-La fellas.

Blocking or ignore on the forums does nothing for seeing their posts. Wish it did but all it does it makes sure they can't PM me. If it could block posts, I would have done so.

On topic, I'm hoping the Nibirun come back for an allied quest... somehow. The only scene that we get of them is just contemplating the whole thing that Jammingway and the omicrons were trying to do and seeing the help the grebuloffs had gotten after they're introduced.

Imagine getting that big cool tree from their area in Dead Ends in Elysion... I'd love that. I know I was disappointed to see that it goes away after you beat the dungeon and it's not in bloom in explorer mode.

[Iscah]

Blocking or ignore on the forums does nothing for seeing their posts. Wish it did but all it does it makes sure they can't PM me. If it could block posts, I would have done so.

You may have your forum systems confused. This one doesn't seem to have PMs in any capacity, and ignoring people does hide their posts, although you'll still see them indirectly if somebody else quotes them.

[rainichan]

You may have your forum systems confused. This one doesn't seem to have PMs in any capacity, and ignoring people does hide their posts, although you'll still see them indirectly if somebody else quotes them.

Hm, maybe. I'll give it a shot.

[KariTheFox]

The issue with suggesting that some of the provinces are better off under Garlean rule is that not even the Garleans are better off under Garlean rule. Even with Bozja's capital melted and Rabanastre bombed to rubble, the Garleans have probably ended up being the most badly affected by the Garlean Empire and now exist as refugees in their own homeland.

The idea that anyone is actually better off as colonial subjects has some pretty troubling real life implications - especially given the rhetoric that resembles justifications for the Japanese Empire that is woven into the ideological motivations of the Garlean Empire.

I've got no problem with Garlemald holding on to provinces though, for whatever political, economic or demographic reasons, I just would feel pretty off put if the narrative framed this as an unambigous good for the colonized population like some posters are asking for.

[MikkoAkure]

Isn't that the more reason to support a leader who's going to change garlemald for the better?

If the eorzean City states are afforded second chance after their crimes, why can't garlemald as well?

Eorzea’s crimes aren’t the same as Garlemald’s crimes. Thousands upon thousands if not millions of people were killed in conquest. The only actual number we know is 70,000 in just one battle in Othard. The cities of Rabanastre and Doma were reduced to rubble because they didn’t want to be Garlean. The people they conquer are often conscripted and forced to fight against other countries on the other side of the planet or are even experimented on.

Limsa Lominsa made peace with the Kobolds and the Sahagin, Ul’dah came to the rescue of the Amalj’aa, Ishgard put down their war with the dragons and decided to work together. In what world would it then make sense for the Garleans after everything they’ve done to suddenly make everything OK and keep their empire just because they have a new leader?

Even if the new leader is well-meaning, many of the provinces don’t want to stay. Corvos, the entire fake-objective of Garlean expansionism is gone for them and the legions are broken. The successful rebellions in Ala Mhigo and Doma inspired more than just Dalmasca to rise up again. Rabanastre being bombed by airships quieted that down, but we know that they’re not the only ones.


Aveyond very obviously took inspiration from FFXII for his re-write. The difference between the Garlean Empire and the Archadian Empire of FFXII though, is that the Archadian Empire doesn’t go through two civil wars over its succession between the rules of Gramis, Vayne, and Larsa, and their military isn’t destroyed, surrendered, or deserted. The Archadian Empire has no rebellions against its rule at the time the game takes place, except for Dalmasca which it gives back at the end of the game after failing to put it down and their emperor dying after becoming a monster.

All-in-all, the Garlean Empire is an unstable mess that was never meant to be a real, sustainable empire. Reforms at this point would come too late because the provinces are in open rebellion. Even if you take away the events of EW, Garlemald’s military and legitimacy are severely depleted from two civil wars, a front in stalemate at the Ghimlyt Dark, the loss of Doma, Bozja, Dalmasca, Nagxia, Ala Mhigo, and Werlyt, 1/3 of Garlemald's legions have been lost in Eorzea (including the one sitting around doing nothing, leaderless in Azys Lla with a giant airship, for some reason), one legion completely deserts to try to make their own country (and fails), and the reformist faction has been purged.

[EgilTheStressedMage]

I don't care what content you like or dislike as long as you're not trying to shove it in people's faces and calling them words because they don't agree. This goes for all sides of this circus because Lord knows it'll never be said enough. Honestly it should just be common sense but that seems to have died somewhere in the last two decades. If you're the type of person who loses sleep over this, get some damn help. If you want to ruin somebody's life because they're not agreeing with you on content in a video game, see above but not before taking an axe to your modem, but unplug it first so you don't shock yourself. As for this questline: meh, I've seen worse. I was in it for the lore of the Grebuloffs, that's pretty much it.

[SassyAssassin]

It’s always a great idea to write or rewrite characters when you know jack potato about psychology or simply people processing emotions in different ways, you know that way you’ll definitely get a story with varied individuals, Id honestly call up Square and tell them to hire me if I was you.

As for the rest on a serious note, I am sorry so many of you experienced loss recently, I wish I could hug you all (if you wanted to of course).