A game for 4 year olds

[aveyond-dreams]

I have a feeling that the only satisfiying conclusion for some here would be closing the cafe and killing everyone on Ultima Thule because the races there still somehow yearn for conflict and fight each other to the death.

I mean Aveyond bascially says that he wants a shard be rejoined as a extra going on beside the main plot. As if that does not meant utter destruction on the source and genocide on the shard. Just like the destruction of each city state is interesting to him. Sure thats totally gonna be a awesome game to play, where most of the cities lie in ruin or have a war going on, with countless of NPCs dieing like nothing while we stand there in the mids of it.

I am thankful that we have other people writing this story.

And now we see them flip flop on genocide! Guess it's ok when done to the Ancients with no dynamis to revive them but the terminator bots and the Sundered with their 12k history of conflict? All ok!

This is why these people can't be taken seriously, and why it's clear that they haven't set foot outside FFXIV in ages. When this is the only game you play, that's the only reason for how incredibly close-minded they are when it comes to the direction the story could take and be more bold and compelling if only they'd stop clutching their comfort characters and bland city-states.

It'll never be so surprising to me how these people ate up "forge ahead" but yet act like they're incapable of doing so if something of permanent consequence happened in the story and to the world at large.

[Kazemon15]

And now we see them flip flop on genocide! Guess it's ok when done to the Ancients with no dynamis to revive them but the terminator bots and the Sundered with their 12k history of conflict? All ok!

This is why these people can't be taken seriously, and why it's clear that they haven't set foot outside FFXIV in ages. When this is the only game you play, that's the only reason for how incredibly close-minded they are when it comes to the direction the story could take and be more bold and compelling if only they'd stop clutching their comfort characters and bland city-states.

It'll never be so surprising to me how these people ate up "forge ahead" but yet act like they're incapable of doing so if something of permanent consequence happened in the story and to the world at large.

Lol poor sod doesn't even know they're being sarcastic. They just gotta twist it into an "aha!" moment to justify his own inflated insane opinionated fanfic.

At this point, I am convinced. You're a 12 year old kid who thinks anything lighthearted is too "goofy" and want everything to be edgy cuz "cool." Nothing else can convince me otherwise.

Anyway, I haven't done the beast tribes, but my friends have (who also play stuff like Xenoblade, Guild Wars, Trails of the Sky, ect) and he said the story is perfectly fine and fits the themes they were going for. I am incline to believe him instead of people who want to find every excuse to hate on Endwalker.

[Alleo]

And now we see them flip flop on genocide! Guess it's ok when done to the Ancients with no dynamis to revive them but the terminator bots and the Sundered with their 12k history of conflict? All ok!

You know that the Genocide part was written when I was talking about rejoining? You know the act that kills a whole planet with all its culture, people and other beings on it? The thing you want? While you lament about what happened to the Ancients?

I feel bad for the Ancients, if there had been a way to save them without destroying the present I would have choosen that way. (But shouldnt that be a too happy ending for some here? Since everything needs to be so grim dark?) But there was not. And since they are long gone and could only come back at the cost of the current living beings I say no to that. Sorry that some here dont like the thought of everyone being murdered for the chance of some other people coming back. Especially since there is a good chance that they would not succeed because they messed up the 13th.

It seems that its fine to genocide all these shards and all of the source to bring back people that has been death for 12k years. But dont you dare when you want to let beings live in their small place in the universe with no single cost to bringing them back. No Puppy was sacrificed to give us these adorable fish people.

[kaynide]

All these words salad, when the solution is pretty easy. Just make us lose our blessings of light

Cleretic and you both have ideas that are both fine for how to move forward, and there are probably lots more on the table.

The problem with losing the light becomes one of what next? What happens after we invariably get super strong again? We can probably pull a megaman and lose all our powers once before it feels cheap..and we kinda already did in Heavansward.

For me, I think the simplest thing is to do what they do to Superman- he’s super powerful sure, but he can’t be everywhere at once. A lot of tension to be had when you can’t save everyone.

[Travel]

So, after skimming through this thread I can say that the majority of replies missed the point completely. I am not arguing that comedy and lightheartedness in beast tribe quests is inherently a bad thing, but I am arguing it is bad in this particular one. The topics they are dealing with are heavy and serious, those are life-long conflicts that those people had to deal with. Instead of actually insightful portrayal and something that will flesh out those races and make them more interesting, it is more strawmaning and dumb bunnies being shoved in your face. Vidofnir doesn’t seem to make a distinction between Dynamis constructs and real dragons and treats them as real, so I assume those are an indication enough that those phantom creations can be seen as their accurate representations.

This entire questline is a waste, and this moment is a perfect example.

We have too much comedy in this Expansion. We have entire segments of MSQ both on the moon and Sharlayan dedicated to comedy with loporrats, they are also seen in Garlemald where they ruin any seriousness and urgency with their presence, made even worse by the utter lack of stakes in the story We have a new season of Hildibrand, and the relic storyline is also comedy orientated. The first beast tribe with Matanga is also light hearted and comedy-oriented, the supposed bunny beast tribe will be the same thing no doubt. With all this in mind, they could allow this questline to be on the serious side which focuses on the people of Ultima Thule and unstrawmaning them without loporrat presence. I understand that(according to YouTube) many people have an urge to wheeze and roll on the floor after hearing something as hilarious as “puddingway” or “carrot of happiness”, but they have plenty of opportunities for that already. There was no need to add this infestation into Omicron tribe.

I have to agree with you on this one. EW's story is supposed to be about marking hard decisions and learning to move on; it's not supposed to be funny, which the Omicron tribe quests seem to miss. It's not that humor or lightheartedness is a bad thing, far from it - it just feels like it's moving a bit too quickly in terms of heaviness vs. humor. The situation of the Omicrons and the Dragons is a good example; it's quite nice that the Dragons are able to make peace with their former foes, but... doing it over the course of a single quest, by baking a cake, after the Omicrons literally destroyed not only the Dragonstar but countless other worlds? Yeah, it really does feel a bit childish, in a way; I mean, don't get me wrong, I love Endwalker and I feel that the Omicrons being able to redeem themselves is an interesting plotline, but it feels just a bit too rushed and "out-there" compared to the expansion's theme of loss and despair.

[DPZ2]

I have to agree with you on this one. EW's story is supposed to be about marking hard decisions and learning to move on; it's not supposed to be funny, which the Omicron tribe quests seem to miss. It's not that humor or lightheartedness is a bad thing, far from it - it just feels like it's moving a bit too quickly in terms of heaviness vs. humor.

Endwalker's story line has ended. We're now 2 patches and ten months past that point. The story line in question is not even part of the MSQ. It is, however, probably the only 'resolution' we will ever get about the echoes that still exist in Ultima Thule. The alternative is an eternity of ... blech.

This expansion's theme, by the way, was Hope -- that thing that was at the bottom of the pithos that Pandora opened. The Greek word in the mythos is 'Elpis'.

[SannaR]

More and more I feel as though many on this forum and in this thread have never played any Dragon Quest, Mother, or Kings Quest games. Cause the amount of EW and this tribal quest comes off akin to a 50's B horror or sci-fi film is starting to show a lot with how some are acting. You know games where you can be attacked by stop signs and the best armor is a pair of fancy underpants. Or seeing a bit if smoke form a hand and make a come here motion towards a horse that looks as though it's owner was classical Greek Hades.

[RyuDragnier]

I do wonder how many paid attention during previous FF games and their themes. Look at FF9, a really goofy game with a lot of dark themes and deep thoughts on life and death. Or FFX, how it wasn't afraid to get funny despite how dark the world was. FF5, despite being one of the funniest scripts in FF history, is also a rather dark game, despite this. Like literal world ending stuff going on, and you get dialogue like:

Exdeath: You're pretty good for a reptile.
Ghido: Well i didn't live 700 years by snacking on pizza!
Exdeath: Perhaps you should have. You will find no such delicacies in the afterlife!

[Travel]

Endwalker's story line has ended. We're now 2 patches and ten months past that point. The story line in question is not even part of the MSQ. It is, however, probably the only 'resolution' we will ever get about the echoes that still exist in Ultima Thule. The alternative is an eternity of ... blech.

This expansion's theme, by the way, was Hope -- that thing that was at the bottom of the pithos that Pandora opened. The Greek word in the mythos is 'Elpis'.

That's very much true; I just think that the Beast Tribe questline is moving just slightly too quickly concerning the Omicrons' history and such. Granted, that's just me and my fondness of having everything developed as much as possible talking - I admit, I get very invested in FFXIV's stories in general - but I do think the quests should have been either longer, or spread out over multiple quests and such. Give a bit more time for character and lore development and such.

That said, I'm still Ok with what we got; I do feel that they could be better, but I'm not gonna cry over spilled milk.

[JeanneOrnitier]

Just like the destruction of each city state is interesting to him. Sure thats totally gonna be a awesome game to play, where most of the cities lie in ruin or have a war going on, with countless of NPCs dieing like nothing while we stand there in the mids of it.

I am thankful that we have other people writing this story.

Yeah that's exactly how one of WoW's expansions started, and said expansion saw an absolutely enormous drop in players that the game still hasn't recovered from 4 years later. Destroying beloved people and places simply for misery porn is a horrible idea, and there's already a perfect example of the consequences it would have on the game to show just how bad an idea it is.