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[Kozh]

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All these words salad, when the solution is pretty easy. Just make us lose our blessings of light

[RukoBoshi]

All these words salad, when the solution is pretty easy. Just make us lose our blessings of light

I don't know why you're being so blunt when there's nothing wrong with detailling your answers.

Aside from that, losing the blessing is a nice step, but we've already seen that we're a beast even without it. We took down primals and an ancient dragon without it.
And it's not like it was giving us that much of an edge in regular fights.

We are pretty strong, but it was mentioned that there's other people that can be our equal too. Zenos, Ranjit, Lyon. Probably a lot of others imperial from bozja that we fight multiple times.
It's true that we mope the floor with fodders, but to me it seems we are just a top tier figther in a world where there's other top tier fighters. So i don't think it's worth it to depower us, we just have to not escalate the power levels higher than it is.

[KageTokage]

I don't have quotes to back it up, but my impression was not that Zodiark rerouted the currents but is actively emitting a planet-wide shield to prevent the weak points from being an issue.

If that is the case, then with his destruction, the shield is gone and the weak points are again letting Meteion's assault through. Nothing else needs to have reverted to an earlier state for the situation to change.

The FSH quests deal largely with researching the changes in the aetherial currents brought about by Zodiark's demise, and rather plainly conclude that he had been reinforcing the celestial currents using the terrestrial.

I have a feeling that Venat also thought about this. Her plan was to be defeated one day so I doubt that she would have used something that would be gone after she is destroyed. Also if the natural order somehow wants a fully rejoined source back than the Ascians could have simply waited all the time to let nature do it, without having to risk their own lives and without having to build whole nations with the goal to cause a calamity. (And I still question what they would have done with the 13th...bascially they messed it up so much that the would have never gotten their original world back anyway)

Also what purpose would that have in story telling? That millions still die? Or that we somehow still find some deus ex machina that will stop it from happening?
Honestly I am happy if we move away from that plot line forever. I am quite fine with normal human level threats. Maybe a bigger enemy after a few more build up expansions but please no end of the world ones in the very next one...

I'm not sure one could fully account for what the short and long-term effects of what something as drastic as the Sundering would be and that goes for both Venat and the Ascians.

Given all this mention of some great change coming to the world in 6.5/7.x, I've been musing over what could be capable of causing such, and the mentioned, lingering fall-out from the Final Days/dynamis, or whatever it is Golbex is scheming with the 13th struck me as the most obvious potential causes. It need not immediately be another world-ending crisis, and could initially serve as a reason for us to venture to the other continents with the full scale of the threat coming to light over the next few expansions.

[aveyond-dreams]

All these words salad, when the solution is pretty easy. Just make us lose our blessings of light

Eagerly awaiting the day this happens. The sooner Venat becomes nothing more than another completely blocked out memory in my head, the better.

It's interesting to see so much flip flopping around from the same sort of people who not too long ago were saying things like "just picking up mercenaries at a bar for our party would be boring" only for them to now be in favor of more small scale conflicts when presented with the alternative of the Source being subject to an invasion or rejoining.

Contrarians for the sake of being contrarian, and directly falling in line with the idea that FFXIV players have trouble adjusting to stories that don't revolve around their egos and power fantasies where they always win.

Time for the WoL to be taken down a peg and humbled, along with the rest of the Source. Voidsent invasion or a rejoining can still easily pave the way for an expansion set in single region/nation, just with a little extra going on in the background. Endwalker was already our burning of Teldrassil, time for the world to actually reflect that.

Burn Limsa and Gridania to the ground. Let Ala Mhigo and the other newfound democracies crumble into dust and be taken over by more interesting leaders who aren't afraid to do whatever it takes to survive and put their own first. You're not gonna sell a player like me on a world where there's hardly anyone worth rooting for associated with these nations, with goodie-two-shoes and their House of Commons and Lords. Please.

I'll gladly take a world full of nobles and princes like FFXVI's is over how The Source turned out any day. FFXIV's world is not one that I can recommend to someone who wants nations and factions worth getting into. Even with the mind-boggling writing of Shadowlands I'd still choose the nations in WoW and their leaders over FFXIV's with how babified and toothless they've all become.

The sort of pride one gets when they're part of a cool nation, like Garlemald or Ishgard, is distinctly lacking in this game when you compare it to the way players feel about nations like Silvermoon in WoW. They certainly aren't hurting for variety in that game, whereas here every nation the WoL ploughs through ends up pretty much the same, except for Doma whose leader's actions are excused because bad guys.

[Lyth]

As far as producers/directors go, Yoshi-p seems to see value in finding a common thread across the various Final Fantasy universes rather than leaving them as largely disconnected entries. I wouldn't be surprised if Valisthea turns out to have some relation to the likes of Second Astral Eorzea, with faith-driven warfare culminating in the Calamity of Fire.

I don't mind seeing more Tactics-styled political intrigue with noble houses and such. I also wouldn't mind seeing some more modern/futuristic elements in the same vein as Midgar and Esthar. My own preference is for steampunk. Variety keeps things interesting. But I don't think you need to burn everything to the ground to achieve that. The world's a big place, and there's room enough for all these concepts to coexist.

[Thenightvortex]

So, after skimming through this thread I can say that the majority of replies missed the point completely. I am not arguing that comedy and lightheartedness in beast tribe quests is inherently a bad thing, but I am arguing it is bad in this particular one. The topics they are dealing with are heavy and serious, those are life-long conflicts that those people had to deal with. Instead of actually insightful portrayal and something that will flesh out those races and make them more interesting, it is more strawmaning and dumb bunnies being shoved in your face. Vidofnir doesn’t seem to make a distinction between Dynamis constructs and real dragons and treats them as real, so I assume those are an indication enough that those phantom creations can be seen as their accurate representations.

This entire questline is a waste, and this moment is a perfect example.

We have too much comedy in this Expansion. We have entire segments of MSQ both on the moon and Sharlayan dedicated to comedy with loporrats, they are also seen in Garlemald where they ruin any seriousness and urgency with their presence, made even worse by the utter lack of stakes in the story We have a new season of Hildibrand, and the relic storyline is also comedy orientated. The first beast tribe with Matanga is also light hearted and comedy-oriented, the supposed bunny beast tribe will be the same thing no doubt. With all this in mind, they could allow this questline to be on the serious side which focuses on the people of Ultima Thule and unstrawmaning them without loporrat presence. I understand that(according to YouTube) many people have an urge to wheeze and roll on the floor after hearing something as hilarious as “puddingway” or “carrot of happiness”, but they have plenty of opportunities for that already. There was no need to add this infestation into Omicron tribe.

[Iscah]

I agree that the plot seems to move too fast and skim over how quickly everyone is accepting of things, but I think the simplest way to look at it is as a condensement of what should be at a longer process. Ultimately they only have so many plot quests they can devote to this.

At the same time, why shouldn't individuals from those races be willing to put aside their differences and find a chance at happiness? It's only the Karellians who are as a race at odds with each other, while the dragons might not all be on board with making peace with the Omicrons – but we found one out of the many who was willing to forgive them. And Vidofnir we already know is willing to make peace.

Everyone else, they're not at war, they're just depressed or bored or both, and the café offers them a spark of joy. Why shouldn't they immediately react positively to that?

If you think this quest should be "on the serious side", what is on that side? What lengthy exploration do we need to embark on before we can have some happier elements to this plot?

[aveyond-dreams]

A better question is why we're building some as stupid as a cafe at the edge of the universe in the first place. The terminator robots are dead last when it comes to a tribe I would link with happier elements. Them and the Dragon Star could have been their own expansion if Yoshi hadn't catapulted us into Ultima Thule. There doesn't need to be a "lengthy exploration" to justify these ridiculous quests because their premise is flawed from the start.

[MikkoAkure]

Contrarians for the sake of being contrarian, and directly falling in line with the idea that FFXIV players have trouble adjusting to stories that don't revolve around their egos and power fantasies where they always win.

Says the poster who posts in multiple threads about wanting high fantasy, but is all over the Garleans who drive 20th century cars, ride trains, shoot guns, and live in skyscrapers. Then making a fanfic and saying that it's better that the story told by the writers and that you demand SE listen to your ideas or lose your sub.

Time for the WoL to be taken down a peg and humbled, along with the rest of the Source. Voidsent invasion or a rejoining can still easily pave the way for an expansion set in single region/nation, just with a little extra going on in the background. Endwalker was already our burning of Teldrassil, time for the world to actually reflect that.

Voidsent are most likely going to be dealt with before 7.0 since Yoshi-P said that nothing going on right now will give us an idea of what 7.0 is about.

Rejoinings can't happen anymore because even with Hydaelyn gone and the existence of her barriers left in the air, it requires the aether from one world to be purposefully and carefully altered to match an equal change in aether on the Source. If all the Ascians are gone, then there are no being left who can cross the rift alive to make such a plan. And besides that, we already had that entire storyline for an expansion and there's no point of repeating it. A threatened Rejoining won't have the same stakes as the first one did and it's boring storytelling to do the same thing over and over again, which is also why the Garleans have been dealt with.

Burn Limsa and Gridania to the ground. Let Ala Mhigo and the other newfound democracies crumble into dust and be taken over by more interesting leaders who aren't afraid to do whatever it takes to survive and put their own first. You're not gonna sell a player like me on a world where there's hardly anyone worth rooting for associated with these nations, with goodie-two-shoes and their House of Commons and Lords. Please.

Careful, you're going to cut yourself on that edge.

[Alleo]

If you think this quest should be "on the serious side", what is on that side? What lengthy exploration do we need to embark on before we can have some happier elements to this plot?

I have a feeling that the only satisfiying conclusion for some here would be closing the cafe and killing everyone on Ultima Thule because the races there still somehow yearn for conflict and fight each other to the death.

I mean Aveyond bascially says that he wants a shard be rejoined as a extra going on beside the main plot. As if that does not meant utter destruction on the source and genocide on the shard. Just like the destruction of each city state is interesting to him. Sure thats totally gonna be a awesome game to play, where most of the cities lie in ruin or have a war going on, with countless of NPCs dieing like nothing while we stand there in the mids of it.

I am thankful that we have other people writing this story.