A game for 4 year olds

[RukoBoshi]

I just love them and I have read at least two different threads on reddit where people also says that they love it and that for some its even the best beast tribe to date. Seemingly we are all four year olds. :P

I agree that it is one of the best tribe yet for me. Compared to the others which are fun expansion of these tribe stories, this one feels like the epilogue of the Ultima Thule zones.

It allow us to see how bringing hope in the area and the apparition of the new planet changed the zone and it's inhabitants.
I thought that these races would have dissappear after some times, but instead we get to see them escape the role made for them by Meteion.

I also really like how the entire zone and all the races are used there, they actually created a community with varied members, instead of simply being the Omicrons tribe.

The feeling i have around Ultima Thule is now completely different than when i first started the zone. It's nice to see that all these races aren't just doomed to suffer there.

[VictorTheed]

I'm not really turned off by light-hearted stuff like some others.

I agree, I enjoy the light- hearted stories and light-hearted non story things in FFXIV, hence the reason I play as a Lalafell.

I know people were split on the Lopporitz stuff on the moon but for me personally, the Lopporitz are hands down one of my top 5 favorite things in all of this expansion so far, the adorable innocence is awesome to me.

[DPZ2]

Most of the nations of the world are holding hands singing kumbaya together after having their unique political systems homogenized into cookie cutter democracies.

Amazing that you've encountered any episodes in 6.1 or 6.2 so far to actually validate this particular idea. I get it that you're impressionable, and bored, but your description of the current world isn't really what I've encountered in-game at this point.

The world's main empire lies in ruins with no hope of resurgence as a faction worth my time under the current writing direction

And there was much rejoicing. Perhaps we can move on from Garleans=Enemy after 10 years. Sorry this isn't what you wanted. To some extent I understand this nostalgia. I certainly didn't like the Horde-side once Garrosh showed up, and I liked it even less when Sylvanus became Horde Leader in Perpetuity. Sylvanus went from likeable character to Evil Boss-Woman Who I Have to Tolerate back in Cataclysm.

After 8 years of that, I finally jumped ship and have only looked back long enough to dislike the new leveling strategies I found during a month of Free-to-Play. The story I enjoyed was lost in the massive jump-skips to BFA at level 20. I hope it doesn't take you that long to get to the same point.

because the same sort that are enthralled by the cafe of hopes and dreams apparently couldn't tolerate a war story.

We've been in a "war story" of one kind or another for 8 years now. I think that theme's time has come and gone.

Both major deities are dead with none arising to inherit their wills like they did in the Dissidia universe.

Correction. Both major primals are dead. There are still the Twelve, and whatever/whoever looks after the rest of the world. I understand we've only just begun to explore the totality of that thought, and that further revelations are coming.

At least in WoW's universe some people face accountability for their actions after they die.

You are asking a decidedly Eastern development team to adhere to decidedly Western religious themes. You will be disappointed. Blizzard is able to do this because they are a Western development team.

The First [...] did not undergo the originally planned partial rejoining and is still locked in another plane.

The remaining Ascians...

Amen and amen to that! What -- you want all of the worlds to be rejoined in a cataclysm of life-removing proportions?

The world of FFXIV isn't worth spending time in or caring about in its current state.

So. After this bit of diatribe, I expect to hear you announce your retirement from the game in a final post where you decidedly rip the developers, writers and the Producer.

Oh, wait ... you're already doing that. Must be fun for you, even if the only thing you enjoy about the game anymore is complaining about it.

[Kozh]

I agree, I enjoy the light- hearted stories and light-hearted non story things in FFXIV, hence the reason I play as a Lalafell.

Lalafell.... Lighthearted?
Are we forgetting the villains of 2.x?

We've been in a "war story" of one kind or another for 8 years now. I think that theme's time has come and gone.

You speak as if the next expansion wouldn't have any war stuff. That theme won't fully gone, though with the current devs' mindset I worry it will be another black and white thing where the good guy won't lose anything.

you are asking a decidedly Eastern development team to adhere to decidedly Western religious themes. You will be disappointed. Blizzard is able to do this because they are a Western development team.

??? Isn't this kind of rude to the devs team? Basically you're saying that they're uncapable of writing western religious theme even though Japanese media has been heavily influenced by Western too.

[Tehmon]

Final Fantasy has always been a series that has it's fair share of whimsical light-heartedness. This shouldn't come as a surprise for anyone who has played Final Fantasy games before. I'm thankful that FFXIV has managed to retain that whimsy, as the solo player titles have become more and more dreadfully serious with none of the charm the games had pre-PS3/360 era.

[aveyond-dreams]

At this point I'm convinced that those of us who came for a fantasy world have lost out to those who just want a sandbox to RP modern fantasy stuff. There was already a game for that called the Sims.

Can't have a war, can't have gods, can't have demons let alone a demon realm worthy of the name, so there really is no reason for anyone wanting a world befitting a fantasy RPG to play FFXIV.

Final Fantasy has always been a series that has it's fair share of whimsical light-heartedness. This shouldn't come as a surprise for anyone who has played Final Fantasy games before. I'm thankful that FFXIV has managed to retain that whimsy, as the solo player titles have become more and more dreadfully serious with none of the charm the games had pre-PS3/360 era.

I would love it if people would stop making disingenuous arguments like this one. A lot of us here have played the entire FF mainline series. None of these games have been as heavy handed with the "light heartedness" and straight up kiddie stuff as Endwalker has been. There's always been a balance but this expansion took it and threw it out the window.

We lost our trial questline and got "Tataru's adventures" or whatever it's called, where little of substance is happening.
We lost out on Ivalice content to go play with Nanamo and Minnie Mouse.
Relics are now tied to Hildibrand.
The base 6.0 MSQ was steeped too deep in humour and nonsense and 6.1 only doubled down on it before someone else took charge in 6.2, though with the relay style patches are being written in there's no telling what to expect for the 6.3 MSQ.

[WhiteArchmage]

I tried to stay out of this, I really did but...

Yoshi choosing to wrap up Ivalice in field notes instead of continuing to deliver content related to that universe because the same sort that are enthralled by the cafe of hopes and dreams apparently couldn't tolerate a war story.

What the actual <kupo>

First of all, it was Matsuno-san himself who wrote the field notes. Because he writes his stories based on the state of the world, and the state of the world as he was writing Bozja was too bleak (there was also some miscommunication, as Matsuno always wanted the Blades to be cured of their tempering, and was overjoyed when the team told him it was possible, but he didn't know you couldn't cure overtempering before he twisted the Blades into their DR forms). Matsuno himself doesn't want another war story.

Secondly, it's not the end of the Ivalice content, the fact that there's no Ivalice content in EW doesn't meant it's over, both Yoshida and Matsuno have explicitly said they'd love to work together again and Matsuno has even given broad strokes of what he wants the third part of the Ivalice story to be: A story about rebuilding the liberated Dalmasca, because since he's influenced by real life events, he wants an uplifting story about people coming together. As I said the previous paragraph: Matsuno himself doesn't want another war story.

Thirdly, I don't know if you're aware, but Matsuno-san has been very busy with other projects, including a whole remaster of one of his magnum opus (Tactics Ogre Reborn, to be released in like two weeks. I greatly recommend it for people with an ounce of media literacy). And it's generally against Japanese-culture to "play with someone else's toys", so with Matsuno unavailable, no one else would touch Ivalice; however, since Matsuno grew very disappointed with the state of the world after the pandemic, he's also hinted he might be done with writing for quite a while, and in which case he would trust Yoshi-P and team with his scenario for the third act of the Ivalice story. (For everyone else, Matsuno tends to work in 4 Acts, but his comments about it make it more likely that the 3rd would be the final part in the XIV collab).

I am astounded how some people who claim to love Ivalice just completely miss the points in the original series, the XIV-adaptation, and the Ogre Battle Saga; not to mention greatly misunderstanding Matsuno-san. Matsuno and Yoshida are great friends, Yoshida is a huge fan of Matsuno's and Matsuno respects Yoshida's love for his setting and how he understood his themes. And now I will hold my tongue, peace out.

[aveyond-dreams]

lies

Find me a source straight from the man himself that *he* didn't want another war story. Because far as I know, that's Yoshi talking not Matsuno. Otherwise all you've written are a bunch of paragraphs full of lies trying to justify the ridiculous state of FFXIV's current writing.

[WhiteArchmage]

I don't know why I'm even bothering, considering there's bound to be a lot of "lalaIcan'thearyouovermyfanfic" but it's spelled out here https://www.famitsu.com/news/202109/27234807.html

――In that sense, I would like to see the future view part of the battle record book in the actual game someday...

Matsuno: That's right. I don't have any plans for that at the moment, so I thought I'd at least write about the fact that Dalmasca was released, so I put it in the battle record book. However, now that I've finished "Save the Queen", I feel like I don't need war stories anymore, as a player. There was also the "Verlito Campaign", so it's okay to say "Dalmasca was released without bothering the Warriors of Light, chan-chan!" (laughs).

Matsuno : When I think about how FFXIV players are feeling right now, I wonder if war stories are different. There are several reasons for this, one of which is the current world situation. The world has become closed due to the coronavirus pandemic, people are quarreling with each other on the internet, and various things are divided. Among them, I wonder what it would be like to impose further stress on the player in the form of war.
At the end of patch 5.55, there was Fran's line "See you in Dalmasca", but I was actually going to remove it. However, if the meaning of "Let's meet in the Dalmasca liberation war next time" is replaced with the meaning of "Let's meet in Dalmasca, where peace has been restored", I think there is no need to delete it.

Yoshida: I see. After this, there will be adventures and battles with each other, but it means that we will meet again in the new future. Certainly, I think that it is the last that I want you to think about in various ways as a lingering sound. Fran has also swallowed it without saying it this time (*). In addition, I would like to see the subsequent episodes, such as why Ryan did "that action (*)", as an adventure drama drawn by Mr. Matsuno.

[RukoBoshi]

Find me a source straight from the man himself that *he* didn't want another war story. Because far as I know, that's Yoshi talking not Matsuno. Otherwise all you've written are a bunch of paragraphs full of lies trying to justify the ridiculous state of FFXIV's current writing.

Matsuno did tweet about this :
https://twitter.com/YasumiMatsuno/st...yyHYJk-xVwIVAQ

"As I mentioned in an interview last year, we omitted Dalmasca because we decided it wasn't a good idea to have the players go through another war story. So, we included something of an epilogue after the Resistance storyline in the form of the Field Notes for some of the characters."

They seem to have collectively decided to ended the war story. I'd like to explore Dalmasca without a war going on there. I trust them to create a conflict that doesn't revolve around war like bozja.