Quote Originally Posted by KageTokage View Post
I honestly wasn't expecting them to double down on the "joy is meaningless when not tempered by sorrow" angle for the Nibirun, because the vibe I was getting was more that they didn't have anything left to be joyful about because a complete removal of strife entailed throwing away virtually everything that gave their lives meaning.

That philosophy is one I just fundamentally cannot agree with.
It strikes me as less an ivory tower philosophy and more a frank look at life philosophy. Because what is life without the good and the bad. Life, for me at least, has been hurtling from tragedy to another since adulthood. And by tragedy I don't always mean losing a loved one to cancer, but smaller ones; like a friendship ending because of a big fight, or not getting that promotion I wanted, my ex-boyfriend stealing six hundred dollars from me. My car getting stolen and wrecked by fourteen year old Kia Boys. Because those are setbacks, not big ones, but ones that hurt.

But good things came a long and helped me move on from those hurts. They don't last either though, most of the time, life is just life, no ups, no downs, a content line. Life can't really exist without both the highs and the lows and the contentment in-between. Should be there more highs than lows? absolutely. Is that always the case? No.

But those highs balance out the lows, and with no lows, I really don't think I would have appreciated how lucky I am in some respects. I would take them for granted.

Quote Originally Posted by Lurina View Post
The argument the writers are making, or seem to be making, relies on conflating seeking a very comfortable existence with seeking a boring one.
And if take those things for granted? Yeah, life will become boring.

I'm wondering, if there might be some culture clash here. I don't mean West vs East outlooks, but on the definition of happiness. Thinking back to AP English, I remember having a discussion about Aristotle's belief that you couldn't really judge a person's life to be happy or not until they were dead. Because to me, happy and content are very different things, but a lot people consider them the same thing.