A game for 4 year olds

[aveyond-dreams]

I derive no satisfaction from a story where characters die only to come back to life and preach to me about their forge ahead nonsense while unjustly maligned groups are brutalized in spectacular fashion. I should think that this is readily understandable, as it is to those I speak to outside the world of this game’s community, whose defenders somehow claim this story gripped them so strongly, for reasons that have no logical basis.

[EgilTheStressedMage]

I derive no satisfaction from a story where characters die only to come back to life and preach to me about their forge ahead nonsense while unjustly maligned groups are brutalized in spectacular fashion. I should think that this is readily understandable, as it is to those I speak to outside the world of this game’s community, whose defenders somehow claim this story gripped them so strongly, for reasons that have no logical basis.

It's the ditching of one expansion then cramming the last ten years of what Yoshi personally liked that brought us here. Other than subtly saying that the players of FFXIV who love the game are the worst human beings on the planet and deserve nothing but pain and suffering for enjoying something at all, I don't see how he thought most of this was okay. It's like he played all the most well received RPGs of the last decade and picked the moments players like most but completely failed to grasp the buildup to them. Meteion should have been in the story from the beginning and be introduced as early as, I'd say, the end of ARR but we would learn more about her, Hydaelyn, and the dark crystal that I'm pretty sure was supposed to be Zodiark over the expansions.

I hate talking about it because it makes me sad. The game was full of ways the story couldn't be screwed as hard as it did, but Yoshi was like "I'm gonna pretend I didn't see that" to all of it. Squadron, jank as it is, would have solved the immortal Scions issue because you could run all content with your fully customizable party. Hell, give it the trust system. Of course there would need to be drawbacks to encourage playing with other players, such as less EXP or less items.

There's more to post, such as updated Hall of the Novice that would teach large pulls, but I don't have the energy or passion to do so. Like I said, it makes me sad they went the easiest possible way out. Now I just do whatever content I feel like doing, such as crafting the entire Riniscita series without using macros (it's faster and slightly more engaging). Don't care much for variant dungeon despite being a flame chad because best queen's story for me ended when she told Varis to shove it. Too much sympathy and too little certainty, that's how I would describe Endwalker at 1 in the morning when my shift starts at 6 am and I have a doctor's appointment after work.

[rainichan]

I'm not sure if he called someone 'less than human' (didn't see it if he did), if he did I think that's a little much, but I'm not going to judge him for that when there's been far worse in this thread from other posters.

Here's his post that you missed that you're defending without actually knowing what was said. It's on page 24, post #238:

I’ve told people in real life about how EW tried to pull off its messaging. They were not appreciative of it. I do not believe that the people who defend its messaging have experienced loss in their lives or if they have they definitely didn’t process it like a normal human being.

My own strongly worded post was deleted by a mod completely so I won't repeat it, but know that my incredibly fresh, barely-over-a-year experience of losing my father to cancer the day before my wedding anniversary self was ready to say a lot worse than what I said here prior to Aveyond. I don't give a rat's tail what you do or don't think about the story, you can like whatever the heck you want. I don't have to agree with you, but at the very least I'm not going to say that someone didn't process grief like a normal human being because I like Endwalker's story, themes, and how cathartic it was for me to cry it out after my loss. You don't have to agree with that. We probably won't. I'll respect your opinion if you think I'm at least a normal human being, but if not you've lost any shred of respect I may have tried to hold out for those that I don't see eye to eye with, or at the very least won't degrade, put me down, or belittle me for liking something you don't.

[Cleretic]

My own strongly worded post was deleted by a mod completely so I won't repeat it, but know that my incredibly fresh, barely-over-a-year experience of losing my father to cancer the day before my wedding anniversary self was ready to say a lot worse than what I said here prior to Aveyond. I don't give a rat's tail what you do or don't think about the story, you can like whatever the heck you want. I don't have to agree with you, but at the very least I'm not going to say that someone didn't process grief like a normal human being because I like Endwalker's story, themes, and how cathartic it was for me to cry it out after my loss. You don't have to agree with that. We probably won't. I'll respect your opinion if you think I'm at least a normal human being, but if not you've lost any shred of respect I may have tried to hold out for those that I don't see eye to eye with, or at the very least won't degrade, put me down, or belittle me for liking something you don't.

It'ss the worst thing about the approach to moderating that these forums do: they can insult, belittle, dehumanize and hurt everyone they disagree with as loudly as they want, because the only person who's going to have action taken against them is the one that breaks hard enough to swear at them.

[aveyond-dreams]

It'ss the worst thing about the approach to moderating that these forums do: they can insult, belittle, dehumanize and hurt everyone they disagree with as loudly as they want, because the only person who's going to have action taken against them is the one that breaks hard enough to swear at them.

Me choosing to not believe someone who has given me no reason to trust their words after all I’ve seen from EW’s defenders is not the same thing as the outright hostility. This is because I am literally not acting hostile towards these people, I am skeptical for reasons I’ve already explained but I shall do so again. I do not feel anything for these people. My expression is a neutral one. I scrutinize and am highly skeptical of everyone I encounter online until I have sufficient evidence to believe their stories. Otherwise I keep a high guard. It would not be the first time an MMORPG player lied about their circumstances.

Perhaps they should have considered that people would not automatically trust their emotionally charged way of trying to win an argument here before deciding to overshare. Again, this isn’t the sort of behavior that I’d expect from mature adults. From my perspective this is not socially appropriate behavior. You may feel free to disagree. I genuinely do not believe that Endwalker has done anyone any favors in terms of helping them process grief, rather it seems it’s given people unrealistic ways of doing so. From the state of the afterlife lore in this game to the stunt the Scions pulled in Ultima Thule with their fakeouts, I found it incredibly disrespectful that they then tried to attach this to the themes they chose.

[rainichan]

Ah, that's why I didn't see it. Because he didn't say you were less than human, he said you didn't have a normal human reaction. Regardless of whether I agree or disagree with his assessment, that's not the same as telling someone they're less than human. Is there another quote that you didn't link? If this is the only quote, it honestly sounds like people took what he said, stretched it thin to mean something else and got mad over that new definition. Which isn't surprising as I've seen this happen more times on these forums than I can count. (And I don't just mean the lore subforum, general discussion does this all the time too)

Cool, no respect. Great to know that your words have 0 relevance. I had a perfectly normal reaction to being told my father's death "wasn't true loss" and wasn't grieved over "the right and normal way" which was intense anger because no one grieves the SAME EXACT WAY, on top of the fact that no, I have indeed experienced loss and he's a despicable human for even saying that. But I'm less than human for not being "normal" in his own words. Sure. Keep defending his "takes" I guess.

Oh, the Russian thing. Is that Russian in his sig? I ask, I do not know cyrillic.

It is. It says "Slava Garlemald" in the picture the same vein as people were saying "slava Ukraine" earlier this year. The actual cyrillic text just says his username. My time in my younger years spent studying multiple languages, with Russian included, has finally come in handy!

[sidurgu-12]

Cool, no respect. Great to know that your words have 0 relevance. I had a perfectly normal reaction to being told my father's death "wasn't true loss" and wasn't grieved over "the right and normal way" which was intense anger because no one grieves the SAME EXACT WAY, on top of the fact that no, I have indeed experienced loss and he's a despicable human for even saying that. But I'm less than human for not being "normal" in his own words. Sure. Keep defending his "takes" I guess.



It is. It says "Slava Garlemald" in the picture the same vein as people were saying "slava Ukraine" earlier this year. The actual cyrillic text just says his username. My time in my younger years spent studying multiple languages, with Russian included, has finally come in handy!

Bit random but i can only think of zogilia when i hear slava.

[Carin-Eri]

This back-and-forth discussion (argument?) with Aveyond is completely counterproductive. I mean, if you condense it, it comes down to this:

Aveyond: 'Endwalker is bad and you should feel bad for liking it'
Almost everyone else: 'No, you are bad for trying to make us feel bad for liking Endwalker'

Honestly - the whole thing has become a bit of a circlesword (all edge, no point).

[Kozh]

This back-and-forth discussion (argument?) with Aveyond is completely counterproductive. I mean, if you condense it, it comes down to this:

Aveyond: 'Endwalker is bad and you should feel bad for liking it'
Almost everyone else: 'No, you are bad for trying to make us feel bad for liking Endwalker'

Honestly - the whole thing has become a bit of a circlesword (all edge, no point).

Aveyond: 'Endwalker is bad and you should feel bad for liking it'
Almost everyone else: 'Endwalker is good and you should feel bad for not liking it'

There, fix it for you.

[Carin-Eri]

Aveyond: 'Endwalker is bad and you should feel bad for liking it'
Almost everyone else: 'Endwalker is good and you should feel bad for not liking it'

There, fix it for you.

Okay - I'll concede that you may have some point there, the only real point within that being that Aveyond poured fuel on the proverbial fire with his implication that people who embraced the 'message' Endwalker was trying to put across are not normal.