A game for 4 year olds

[AwesomeJr44]

Aveyond assumes people are lying

He assumes you're lying because a good number of you people have 1) lied to him in the past and proven yourselves to be intellectually disingenuous, and 2) have given him reasons to not take you seriously and believe what you're saying. (Example: the garlemald = Russia thing) Is Aveyond a little harsh when stating that? Maybe. But most of his claims certainly aren't wrong, even if they're not popular. I'm not sure if he called someone 'less than human' (didn't see it if he did), if he did I think that's a little much, but I'm not going to judge him for that when there's been far worse in this thread from other posters.

To be quite frank, I don't believe some of the claims made here either. Does that make me cold-hearted? No, I just think the people who made them aren't to be trusted due to their history and thus I don't believe them. A good amount of the people here have been disingenuous in the past and thus I don't buy into their claims now. Sure, some of the claims might be real, but it's the poster who cried wolf situation. I can't trust those posters to tell the truth, so even if they do now, I can't trust them. In addition, some of the stuff said here does indeed feel like gaslighting and people saying what they need to say to win arguments even when what they're claiming isn't true.

[SannaR]

He assumes you're lying because a good number of you people have 1) lied to him in the past and proven yourselves to be intellectually disingenuous, and 2) have given him reasons to not take you seriously and believe what you're saying. (Example: the garlemald = Russia thing) Is Aveyond a little harsh when stating that? Maybe. But most of his claims certainly aren't wrong, even if they're not popular. I'm not sure if he called someone 'less than human' (didn't see it if he did), if he did I think that's a little much, but I'm not going to judge him for that when there's been far worse in this thread from other posters.

I'm not sure when or how I've been disingenuous. Meanwhile you continue to belittle, talk down to, make fun of several people. And even though you say you might not agree with some people you never are seen doing so. You tend to ignore various things while acting as a person's personal defense force. All you ever seem to do is attack people so why should anyone want to even try to have a discussion with you.

[Alleo]

I'm referring to stuff like this. It has nothing to do with whether or not you like or dislike Endwalker. A good portion of my friends like Endwalker and I have no problem with them because they're not disingenuous and don't say/do things like calling people Russian sympathizers if they like Garlemald. I've sadly had the displeasure of interacting with the people I've listed and each has earned my distaste for them by being intellectually dishonest.

Where were you when he called me offputting by simply liking how cute the new beast tribe is? Or when he said that people that liked Endwalker never knew loss or are handling it wrong? Why is it that Kazemons post is so bad, yet he can bascially insult everyone who disagrees with him, including saying something about their personal grief. What about being called a four year old just because one enjoys the questline of a beast tribe?

But I guess we who like Endwalker deserve this while anyone who doesnt like it, is a victim.

Dont complain about people slinging mud when you guys are bascially having a mud war against others the whole time...

It's normal for people to have OC/name that they're attached to. I have one that I made during middle school because I misheard a planet/star name, and fun fact, I still use it for my ffxiv username and one of my alts (used to). Not everything has to be self-insert. Don't be weird.

The self insert was about the character not him as a person...he bascially has a alt character who is a dark blonde elezen with that name which he then uses for the main NPC in Garlemald. It feels to me like he self inserted his own playable character (not himself...) into the rewrite of the story.

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In the end I dont understand why Endwalker is so horrible. Aveyond wants to have destruction, death and seemingly no real happy ending.
Well if you like the opposing factions like Garlemald or the Ascians, isnt that what you got? Garlemald got their whole city destroyed, with a huge amount of the people death. We did not get a happy ending for the Ascians or the Ancients either. Instead of being able to change their fates, it happened again. All of the "heros" on that side are death.

I mean that seems to be a perfect ending for a very grim dark story? The only thing missing is the WoL being able to join that faction like you do in WoW. If you could this would have bascially be a expanion full of huge losses.

But I guess it comes down to not wanting happy ends for those characters you dont like, while wanting one for those you do. Not very dark imo. I will never understand how one can be so angry about the scions surviving while also saying that we should have created a split timeline where the Ancients survive. That would mean that one person was able to change the bad outcome for millions of lifeforms. I would have nothing against such a story plot. But I also love happy endings.

Anyway I am looking forward to the last quest of the beast tribe and what they will do with the unsolved plot point. I really hope we get another section of Elysium in the style of the missing ones.

[aveyond-dreams]

I am nothing if not consistent when it comes to people attempting to emotionally manipulate me and others both irl and online. I have 0 tolerance for this sort of behavior, and find it incredibly unbecoming and downright strange that the common notion of not believing everything strangers say on the internet is now something apparently novel.

There is little else worth addressing. I am none of the things that certain posters are so quick to paint me as. I do not see the need to go on at length about this.

Endwalker should not have spawned these sorts of discussions. I want to be back in the Heavensward, Stormblood patches, and Shadowbringers era of fun speculation and anticipation. Not whatever this is.

[Cleretic]

I'm a ringleader? I stopped posting my videos here because I can tell nobody actually clicks through to them from here; if I was leading anything I'd hope I'd get more out of it than that. Basically the only element of value I have is having a higher rate of saying decent points than people like Awesome and Aveyond, and frankly, that ain't a high bar. I'm not exactly saying huge stuff, I mostly just make observations that require baseline reading comprehension.

If you think a story is being written for four year olds, but frequently misunderstand it anyway, maybe it's time to reach a four year old's reading level.

[aveyond-dreams]

I'm a ringleader? I stopped posting my videos here because I can tell nobody actually clicks through to them from here; if I was leading anything I'd hope I'd get more out of it than that. Basically the only element of value I have is having a higher rate of saying decent points than people like Awesome and Aveyond, and frankly, that ain't a high bar. I'm not exactly saying huge stuff, I mostly just make observations that require baseline reading comprehension.

If you think a story is being written for four year olds, but frequently misunderstand it anyway, maybe it's time to reach a four year old's reading level.

Then by all means why don't you grace us with a rewrite of your own? One that preferably avoids the terrible mishandling of grief, depression, and genocide in Endwalker.

[KariTheFox]

The issue is that you're accusing people of lying about an incredibly common human experience of lost a loved one or family member.

Most people in the world have in fact, experienced grief or loss in thier life. Why on earth would anyone ever need or want to lie about something like that? You might as well accuse someone of lying about having parents, or going to school.

[Cleretic]

Then by all means why don't you grace us with a rewrite of your own? One that preferably avoids the terrible mishandling of grief, depression, and genocide in Endwalker.

That's completely unrelated, but okay. I'll admit I have a failing of taking the bait.

But here's the thing: I think the story is mostly fine, so I don't need to do a whole rewrite fanfiction to 'fix' it. Most of what I'd change are more editors' notes than full alterations. But sure, I'll toss them out. For the entire live game up to now, in fact.

A Realm Reborn: A tough one, since ARR has the difficult job of introducing a bunch of the world, but not really enough screentime to make any of it appealing, so there's not a lot of rewriting you can do without losing something important. I'd probably just have a whole editing pass to make sure we lose the weirdly out-of-place stuff that's more a relic of 1.0's tone (let's maybe not put down a slave uprising in Copperbell, and lose about 80% of the sexual assault references). And a special little idea of mine: include an 'Ala Mhigan's theme' for Raubahn, Ilberd, and some other relevant Ala Mhigan NPCs, that includes the Stormblood leitmotif.

Heavensward: Let's not kill Ysayle this time; she was killed for a bad reason, and would have interesting value to the story if she were still around for later parts of it. This has the side-benefit of making the Warring Triad storyline's attempt to sell Regula as a respectable person less terrible. Other than that, Heavensward's fine.

Stormblood: This one's really hard, because the main problem with Stormblood is baseline structural: it's essentially the exact same story told twice, once in Ala Mhigo and once in Othard. And yet, just removing either would cause enormous problems both in planning the future of the game (both Ala Mhigo and Othard introduce hugely important players) and in player appeal (people like both those places a lot). My best idea is basically to spice up the Ala Mhigan areas and make them more distinct from both each other and Yanxia. Let's use the existing Ala Mhigans and make each zone a reflection of where they grew up; have the Fringes be more religious to reflect Widargelt and the Rhalgr fanatics (since their holy sites are still around there), have the Peaks be where Raubahn's from and you can see both the principles and places that shaped him and perhaps the places where he feels he failed them (so maybe it's the most like Ul'dah, but you learn that's because Raubahn influenced Ul'dah rather than the other way around), and the Lochs is where Ilberd's from and it's still a simmering powder keg with regular outbreaks of violent resistance cells. That ARR change of introducing an Ala Mhigan theme also pays off here, as it's more immediately clear during the Imperial-occupied anthem that Garlemald co-opted the anthem rather than getting 'why is the Garlean theme playing everywhere' responses.

Shadowbringers: So I don't like Emet-Selch, which means he's the main thing I'd change here. But unlike Aveyond I actually respect other people's tastes and opinions, so while I could make more dramatic cuts to him, I don't really want to. Right now the angle I think I'd take is twofold:
A: Let's not have him be the founder of Garlemald. It cheapens Garlemald that their turn towards imperialism was from an external actor rather than entirely human choices, and it causes huge problems for Emet that the guy they're trying to paint as a tragic figure who had to make heavy, abstract but difficult choices also did extremely non-abstract terrible things that rightly shouldn't be lumped in with them.
B: A bit of a weird pitch, but: we're swapping the Warrior of Light and Hades. The WoL fight takes place down in Amaurot, and perhaps it's a mystery as to who actually built the place (Elidibus can deny it was him in the ending), meaning that Amaurot gets to make its pitch by itself rather than being tied so heavily to Emet. Emet still gets to throw down and go down in 5.3, where this time it's him that's the last Unsundered standing; he delays a bit before going even bigger on the angle of 'you failed to save the First by my reckoning, I'm gonna smash the First myself' that he does in the game anyway. In all honestly, this is mostly so that 5.0 ends in a more thematically consistent way than it currently does; it really bothers me that The Lightpocalypse Expansion ends in a completely incongruous figure of darkness, so let's give it the light-iest ending it can have.

Endwalker: I've thought about this, because I don't think Endwalker is perfect, but I think there are two ways to make it better. I've posted about them here before actually.
1. Lop off Elpis' start through to when Meteion freaks out; while I respect the direction of falling action, it completely obliterates the momentum the game has to go from Thavnair's apocalypse to 'land without problems full of pretty people'. Meteion freaking out means the place isn't entirely free of complications, but is still a drop in momentum, and still gives space to introduce all the relevant players, just in a more interesting context. It also means things are a little rushed, so people don't get the idea that we entirely influenced much of anything; we can still have scenes with Venat where she learns what's up, but things never really slow down enough for her to plausibly have more than a vague idea of who we are or why we're here. This frees up a bunch of space in the quest runtime, so let's instead give that to Garlemald to expand on that camp of indentured slaves off in the south that the MSQ sorta completely forgets about after introducing them. I used to think Ultima Thule could use the space too, but the Omicron questline does that just fine.
2. I don't have a problem with a lot of the things Labyrinthos' revisit does, but it doesn't do a lot with the space it's allocated, and while there is a ticking clock in the background, it's WAY in the background. We need essentially a 'Team Rocket' to raise the immediate stakes without raising the actual stakes. So I propose that the Illuminati break in to steal parts for their own spaceship/bunker, since they're exactly the type to already be working on that. Also, the Alexander questline is conspicuously near-absent in the 'celebrate everything you did' sequence.

Wait, what videos were these? I never saw a thread like that.

Also, the videos are over here! The last one I posted here was the one on NPC jobs (which I experimented with putting in General Discussion since it was less lore-ey). Since then I've done one on FFXIV's crossovers, a series on job lore (that's currently just the ones that started in FFI), and one on 'stuff we know about Allag that isn't the focus of any major stories'.

[Kazemon15]

Also, the videos are over here! The last one I posted here was the one on NPC jobs (which I experimented with putting in General Discussion since it was less lore-ey). Since then I've done one on FFXIV's crossovers, a series on job lore (that's currently just the ones that started in FFI), and one on 'stuff we know about Allag that isn't the focus of any major stories'.

Ohh I love analysis videos. I'll be sure to check them out. I hope I can make out most of it, since I usually follow ones that have closed caption (I'm actually hard of hearing) but will check them out sometime! Thanks.

[aveyond-dreams]

The issue is that you're accusing people of lying about an incredibly common human experience of lost a loved one or family member.

Most people in the world have in fact, experienced grief or loss in thier life. Why on earth would anyone ever need or want to lie about something like that? You might as well accuse someone of lying about having parents, or going to school.

Most well adjusted adults don't wield it like a cudgel against people they disagree with over the themes Endwalker tried and failed to address in a sensible way. I do not believe that certain FFXIV players are not beyond resorting to extreme emotional manipulation along with nonsensical lies in order to paint me and others as villains. When I witnessed this extremely bizarre behavior, I called it out.

Rewrite

Your rewrite does not have my seal of approval, though there are parts I will commend you for. I object to the removal of the darker elements that underlie ARR's world along with Ysayle's sacrifice, despite my appreciation of her character. I did however enjoy your ideas for the Stormblood section. I think the Shadowbringers section makes sense, we can agree to disagree on which characters we like or dislike. Your proposed solution for Elpis is partially helpful, though issue of Endwalker's themes and whether you would change them/express them via different means remains unaddressed.