A game for 4 year olds

[Travel]

Endwalker's story line has ended. We're now 2 patches and ten months past that point. The story line in question is not even part of the MSQ. It is, however, probably the only 'resolution' we will ever get about the echoes that still exist in Ultima Thule. The alternative is an eternity of ... blech.

This expansion's theme, by the way, was Hope -- that thing that was at the bottom of the pithos that Pandora opened. The Greek word in the mythos is 'Elpis'.

That's very much true; I just think that the Beast Tribe questline is moving just slightly too quickly concerning the Omicrons' history and such. Granted, that's just me and my fondness of having everything developed as much as possible talking - I admit, I get very invested in FFXIV's stories in general - but I do think the quests should have been either longer, or spread out over multiple quests and such. Give a bit more time for character and lore development and such.

That said, I'm still Ok with what we got; I do feel that they could be better, but I'm not gonna cry over spilled milk.

[Iscah]

I agree that the plot seems to move too fast and skim over how quickly everyone is accepting of things, but I think the simplest way to look at it is as a condensement of what should be at a longer process. Ultimately they only have so many plot quests they can devote to this.

At the same time, why shouldn't individuals from those races be willing to put aside their differences and find a chance at happiness? It's only the Karellians who are as a race at odds with each other, while the dragons might not all be on board with making peace with the Omicrons – but we found one out of the many who was willing to forgive them. And Vidofnir we already know is willing to make peace.

Everyone else, they're not at war, they're just depressed or bored or both, and the café offers them a spark of joy. Why shouldn't they immediately react positively to that?

If you think this quest should be "on the serious side", what is on that side? What lengthy exploration do we need to embark on before we can have some happier elements to this plot?

[Alleo]

If you think this quest should be "on the serious side", what is on that side? What lengthy exploration do we need to embark on before we can have some happier elements to this plot?

I have a feeling that the only satisfiying conclusion for some here would be closing the cafe and killing everyone on Ultima Thule because the races there still somehow yearn for conflict and fight each other to the death.

I mean Aveyond bascially says that he wants a shard be rejoined as a extra going on beside the main plot. As if that does not meant utter destruction on the source and genocide on the shard. Just like the destruction of each city state is interesting to him. Sure thats totally gonna be a awesome game to play, where most of the cities lie in ruin or have a war going on, with countless of NPCs dieing like nothing while we stand there in the mids of it.

I am thankful that we have other people writing this story.

[JeanneOrnitier]

Just like the destruction of each city state is interesting to him. Sure thats totally gonna be a awesome game to play, where most of the cities lie in ruin or have a war going on, with countless of NPCs dieing like nothing while we stand there in the mids of it.

I am thankful that we have other people writing this story.

Yeah that's exactly how one of WoW's expansions started, and said expansion saw an absolutely enormous drop in players that the game still hasn't recovered from 4 years later. Destroying beloved people and places simply for misery porn is a horrible idea, and there's already a perfect example of the consequences it would have on the game to show just how bad an idea it is.

[aveyond-dreams]

Yeah that's exactly how one of WoW's expansions started, and said expansion saw an absolutely enormous drop in players that the game still hasn't recovered from 4 years later. Destroying beloved people and places simply for misery porn is a horrible idea, and there's already a perfect example of the consequences it would have on the game to show just how bad an idea it is.

Thank you for explaining why those of us who were into Garlemald, Ascians, Ancients, and traditional fantasy sort of locations and themes feel slighted by the way current FFXIV is going. Yoshi bulldozed it all to make room for what? A pale excuse for an FFIV crossover and the permanent handicapping of this game's afterlife and outer space lore?

Genius move. Yoshi really took a page out of Afrasiabi's book and integrated it into the game several times over and in the worst ways possible.

[Striker44]

Thank you for explaining why those of us who were into Garlemald, Ascians, Ancients, and traditional fantasy sort of locations and themes feel slighted by the way current FFXIV is going. Yoshi bulldozed it all to make room for what? A pale excuse for an FFIV crossover and the permanent handicapping of this game's afterlife and outer space lore?

Genius move. Yoshi really took a page out of Afrasiabi's book and integrated it into the game several times over and in the worst ways possible.

Personally, I find it the exact opposite. I loved the FFIV references in EW, was smiling my whole way through the moon, especially when the FFIV battle theme kicked in while fighting in Bestways Burrow, and I don't see anything at all as "handicapped" for the future. The remix of the FFIV boss theme used in the Scarmiglione fight is also one of just a couple remixes of past FF songs that I've liked just as much or more than the originals (the piano version of Cyan's theme used as part of the Tsukuyomi fight is the other).

Genuine question for you that others have asked, but you either didn't see if you have them on ignore or just chose to ignore anyway: You seem to truly hate absolutely everything about this game and find nothing enjoyable...why do you remain subbed?

[DPZ2]

Thank you for explaining why those of us who were into Garlemald, Ascians, Ancients, and traditional fantasy sort of locations and themes feel slighted by the way current FFXIV is going. Yoshi bulldozed it all to make room for what? A pale excuse for an FFIV crossover and the permanent handicapping of this game's afterlife and outer space lore?

Genius move. Yoshi really took a page out of Afrasiabi's book and integrated it into the game several times over and in the worst ways possible.

This doesn't even make sense. The poster was responding with a description of one of the past WoW expansions -- the equivalent to that which you'd like to see, and noted that such misery turned off players in droves, not that it was the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Garlemald? You can enjoy the rebuilding as/when it happens in-game or off-screen. That worked well for years for Blizzard.
Ascians/Ancients? We've received the blessings of both Emet-Selch and Hythlodeus.
Traditional fantasy? Which particular Final Fantasy titles have you been playing that were "traditional" fantasy?
Handicapping the afterlife? Didn't you watch the cut scenes early in the game (post level 50, but still ...) about the movement of souls and the aether of the life stream?
Outer-space lore? We've been to the moon and the edge of the Universe. There may be nothing else, since our favorite bluebird seemed to imply that it was all gone. This game has never been Star Trek:Next Generation, and never will.

[Alleo]

Thank you for explaining why those of us who were into Garlemald, Ascians, Ancients, and traditional fantasy sort of locations and themes feel slighted by the way current FFXIV is going. Yoshi bulldozed it all to make room for what? A pale excuse for an FFIV crossover and the permanent handicapping of this game's afterlife and outer space lore?

Genius move. Yoshi really took a page out of Afrasiabi's book and integrated it into the game several times over and in the worst ways possible.

This is a Final Fantasy game. Most of those games have the characters we play as the good guys fighting against the bad guys. Its not the devs problem that you like two of the bad factions in this game. Its quite fine to like villians btw. (Before someone says I said that its bad to do so...) But one also has to accept that they are the enemy and that there is no chance that we somehow join them and destroy the world.

At no point in the many expansions we had, did they hint of that possibility. This is a straight hero story. Always has been.

[aveyond-dreams]

A better question is why we're building some as stupid as a cafe at the edge of the universe in the first place. The terminator robots are dead last when it comes to a tribe I would link with happier elements. Them and the Dragon Star could have been their own expansion if Yoshi hadn't catapulted us into Ultima Thule. There doesn't need to be a "lengthy exploration" to justify these ridiculous quests because their premise is flawed from the start.

[aveyond-dreams]

I have a feeling that the only satisfiying conclusion for some here would be closing the cafe and killing everyone on Ultima Thule because the races there still somehow yearn for conflict and fight each other to the death.

I mean Aveyond bascially says that he wants a shard be rejoined as a extra going on beside the main plot. As if that does not meant utter destruction on the source and genocide on the shard. Just like the destruction of each city state is interesting to him. Sure thats totally gonna be a awesome game to play, where most of the cities lie in ruin or have a war going on, with countless of NPCs dieing like nothing while we stand there in the mids of it.

I am thankful that we have other people writing this story.

And now we see them flip flop on genocide! Guess it's ok when done to the Ancients with no dynamis to revive them but the terminator bots and the Sundered with their 12k history of conflict? All ok!

This is why these people can't be taken seriously, and why it's clear that they haven't set foot outside FFXIV in ages. When this is the only game you play, that's the only reason for how incredibly close-minded they are when it comes to the direction the story could take and be more bold and compelling if only they'd stop clutching their comfort characters and bland city-states.

It'll never be so surprising to me how these people ate up "forge ahead" but yet act like they're incapable of doing so if something of permanent consequence happened in the story and to the world at large.