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    Player Mithron's Avatar
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    Mithron Scarlet
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    Gilgamesh
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    Paladin Lv 100

    1.5+ million damage, 8-0 KD, still lost, CC is bad



    I'm obviously far above the skill level of everyone in this match with the numbers to prove it, so this should be an auto-win for me with no chance of loss, yet I still lost because my team is that bad. That's bad game design. One player should be able to solo carry matches if one player can cause a loss (like a team mate who DCs and thus 4vs5). Anything else is bad game design.

    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    This is mostly satire, but it is really annoying how one person can cause a loss yet one person can't force a win.
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    Elfidan's Avatar
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    Elfidan Gadfor
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    Ultros
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    Reaper Lv 100
    Yeah, this happened a lot in season two. Every time it did to me regardless which side of it I was on it amounted to people chasing kills while one person casually strolled to the end with the crystal. This is another problem I lay at the feet of lack of ability to properly communicate.
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    Gordon Geeko
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    Faerie
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    Dancer Lv 90
    Not sure if this is a ranked game or a casual game.

    It's not talked about much, but I very strongly believe that there is a casual MMR to make sure good players don't end up on the same side, but the good players get the worst players to try to balance things out.

    I've played thousands of casual games and if there is another good player that I know (like Crystal rank), we could play 100 games in a row, the game will never put them on my side. However, if there is a low damage BRD not pressing recuperate, it will always put them on my side. I think the idea is to avoid stomps, but that's not how it works.

    No matter how good you are, you can't make up for several bad teammates. I probably end up losing more than I win, no matter how well I play. I've had too many games where if you sort by damage it's Blue (me), Red x 5, Blue x 4. Way too many for it to be random. I believe that in ranked the matchmaking is more randomized and in the long run if you outperform other players, you should always be able to climb. In casual, a good player can't make up for several bad ones, especially a VERY bad one.

    It is beyond frustrating.
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    Last edited by GordonGeeko; 10-19-2022 at 05:21 AM.

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    Player Mithron's Avatar
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    Mithron Scarlet
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    Paladin Lv 100
    It was a Crystal ranked match on Aether.

    It's true; all MMR based team games force you into a 50/50 win rate which means the good outlier players will always have worse team mates than the enemies because if it was actually fair teams, your win rate would climb infinitely. Rather than having players with 90%+ win rates because they're good and thrive on fair matches, they're given impossible matches so their win states as close to 50% as possible. It's bad game design.
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    Niko'to Seleuca
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    Omega
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    Lancer Lv 100
    I notice you didn't show your time on the objective.
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    Warren Warlock
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    Coeurl
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    Summoner Lv 90
    Push the crystal!
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    Elfidan's Avatar
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    Elfidan Gadfor
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    Quote Originally Posted by RydiaFey View Post
    Push the crystal!
    couldn't say it better if I tried
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    Player Mithron's Avatar
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    Can't push the crystal as MCH if my team sucks more than the enemy team despite me being better than both teams combined ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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    Reinhardt Azureheim
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    Alpha
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    This is the "I got gold damage" fallacy all over again. Unless you provide the following:

    - jobs used in the match (you can blur / hide names, but do it in team colours)
    - map played
    - map duration (how much overtime?)
    - actual ranks of each player (there could be a diamond for all we know)
    - objective time stat

    then there is simply too little info. Especially the "jobs played", because I know jack all which player in this match actually performs within expected stats.

    Also without actually having seen the match, it matters little how much damage and kills you pumped and ended with 0 deaths. The kills could have happened where it didn't matter and didn't peel for players that needed it. Heavy / Bind / Stun could've been where it didn't save anything.

    There are too many contributing factors here.
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    Last edited by Reinhardt_Azureheim; 10-19-2022 at 05:24 PM.

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    Player Doozer's Avatar
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    Gunnar Mel'nik
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    Diabolos
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    Bard Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Mithron View Post
    Can't push the crystal as MCH if my team sucks more than the enemy team despite me being better than both teams combined ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
    Sounds like you need to work with your team better instead of just going for kills or standing on the crystal alone. Communicate. Group up. etc. etc.

    If none of those things actually worked, then sometimes you just have to take the L.

    I also want to second (third?) that you didn't show your objective time.
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