The Lessons Not Learned.

[AwesomeJr44]

I will say this. The patches have been lackluster a lot. Housing is joke. 4 months to fully gear out a class. They want to keep this game going for 10 more years? If this is all they have to offer it won't last another 2 years at the rate the content has been going. They really need to start spicing up this game seriously. I have been thinking of going over to GW2 since combat is way better then FFXIV's. If a MMO comes out soon and ends up being really good I will say FFXIV will be very small population

Agreed. The developers really seem to think the game isn't an MMO for some reason. They claim that they want to keep this going for at least 10 more years, yet where's the content to keep people around? Variant dungeons were cool I guess, but the rewards are lackluster. Beast tribes are literally just a set of chores to do every day. Manderville weapons are good for those who don't have ilv 630 weapons yet, but to get them it's literally just a tomestone grind. (And no, the pre-existing Manderville quests do NOT count as new content just because they're required now) Now I know that a certain crowd of people are going to jump in and say "iT's jUsT a MiNor pAtCh!!!". I will accept this reasoning when the time between major patches is smaller than it is now. If it's been 2 months since the last patch with content, I expect more than daily chores to do. Variant Dungeons are thankfully a decent solution, but I can't see this lasting another 2 months.

There seems to be this weird misconception amongst players that they're meant to be taking breaks for long periods of time. I think they got this idea from when Yoshi P told players that it's ok to take breaks when you're at risk of burning out. A lot of players seem to forget that second part and just latch onto the first half. This is an MMO. We're meant to be playing it a lot and thus paying the subscription fee a lot. MMOs aren't meant to have massive content droughts where you're 'meant to' unsubscribe from the game and play something else. Now when I say this, I should make it clear that there's a difference between forcing you to log in every day to grind for hours on content you HAVE to do like WoW does, and then actually having content to do every day if you WANT to do it. There shouldn't be large periods of time where there's no reason to play the game if I want to. The only reason Yoshi P said that you should take breaks when at risk of burning out was because if you do burn out, you're probably going to quit forever.

[VelKallor]

The developers really seem to think the game isn't an MMO for some reason.

This is an MMO.

It isnt. Never has been.

Its a JRPG first, an MMO second.

Beast tribes are literally just a set of chores to do every day.

Lets just ignore the story content that goes with them shall we?

Manderville weapons are good for those who don't have ilv 630 weapons yet, but to get them it's literally just a tomestone grind.

You just described every relic weapon..whats your point?

This is an MMO. We're meant to be playing it a lot and thus paying the subscription fee a lot

Thats WOW. Not FF 14. Wrong mentality.

The only reason Yoshi P said that you should take breaks when at risk of burning out was because if you do burn out, you're probably going to quit forever.

Hard disagree.

but I can't see this lasting another 2 months.

Hard disagree.

There shouldn't be large periods of time where there's no reason to play the game if I want to

Why not? Whats the hurry, whats the rush, whats the need to log in every day? Go play other games. The game will still be here, theres no FOMO to lose sleep over...

I dont see an issue here.

[VelKallor]

Oh almost forgot:

They don’t owe us ANYTHING. The sub for this game is cheaper than Netflix. Yoshida pours his blood, sweat and tears into this game and we pay pennies in exchange. I think we should be grateful that we’re getting anything at all. This isn’t Blizzard that we’re talking about here, this is Square Enix. They’re doing what they can with the small amount of resources that they have

I happen to agree with 10000% , having played BOTH games now for several years, the gulf between what Yoshi and his team have done to make this game what it is vs the absolute fwe heap that WOW has become, is utterly gigantic.

I am EXTREMELY impressed with what the team has accomplished, which is why i stay. Before you go off on your "white knight" sneer campaign, just bear this in mind....

For the ONLY time in my decades of gaming, having been the customer of multiple MMOs, MUDs, MUCKs. BBS, multiplayer games of all stripes and kinds since...God how long has it been now....the late 80's..Blizzard are the ONLY company to which I have not only said "I am leaving", but to whom i told to literally WIPE my account, removing ALL TRACE of my past history with them.

Right to be forgotten invoked. I had NEVER done that before, such was my complete disgust. Think for a hard moment on what it took to get to that step.

All of it, gone. All licenses, gone. All games deleted , hard copies THROWN OUT, the cd's literally sliced up. I will never touch another one of their games again. Ever.

Square Enix is not perfect, no one has said otherwise. The game is not perfect nor will it ever be, despite the ardent, at close to, at times , manic nitpicking I have seen here, Yoshi and his team have delivered time and time again.

I am enjoying myself immensely, FF 14 , from the view of a seasoned long time gamer, is far, far superior than most, if not all, of its cohorts. Quite frankly, I am amazed at what they have accomplished, I too am grateful for all they have done.

Would that other MMO devs had the sense to try and follow their example.

[Thoosa]

Btw no game director would say “go take breaks” if they were not making a nice healthy profit from the game, so there’s very little financial risk in doing so and it’s not really said in an altruistic way.

[Kazhar]

Btw no game director would say “go take breaks” if they were not making a nice healthy profit from the game, so there’s very little financial risk in doing so and it’s not really said in an altruistic way.

Anyway he said take breaks, but he never asked anyone to actually unsub.

[AwesomeJr44]

It isnt. Never has been. Its a JRPG first, an MMO second.

"It isn't an MMO, never has been. It's a JRPG and an MMO"

Lets just ignore the story content that goes with them shall we?

I'll assume you're referring to the story of the content we got this patch, in which case it's alright but nothing that'll last another 2 months. Oh cool some lore on Sil'dih. Cool. So uh, what now?

You just described every relic weapon..whats your point?

You assume that because something has been done before that it is good.

Thats WOW. Not FF 14. Wrong mentality.

As I pointed out and you did not read, WoW forces you to do content you don't want to do, and FF14 should attempt to have content that you want to do for more than a week. Not really the same thing.

Hard disagree.

Disagree all you want, but you're objectively wrong. This is what I meant when I said that a lot of players misinterpreted what he said. If you read exactly what he said, it's very clear that he was talking about burn out, not content droughts.

Hard disagree.

You're going to be playing Variant dungeons in a month from now when there's no tangible reward left? Feel free to if you feel so inclined, but I can't imagine this being popular once most people have their 12 endings and all of the items they want. I guess people might farm it for the noir set to sell on the market but other than that, /shrug.

Why not? Whats the hurry, whats the rush, whats the need to log in every day? Go play other games. The game will still be here, theres no FOMO to lose sleep over...

Content doesn't have to have FOMO, nor do I want it to. However, if I want to play the game more, I shouldn't feel like there's nothing left to accomplish. And no, replaying the same thing over and over or doing daily chores are not worthwhile content.

Oh almost forgot: I happen to agree with 10000%

Considering that the text in my signature is the stereotypical response of a white knight, you've just admitted to being a white knight for SE. Thanks for making your opinions invalid I guess. /shrug

[VelKallor]

You're going to be playing Variant dungeons in a month from now when there's no tangible reward left?

Just because you dont doesnt mean others wont.

Considering that the text in my signature is the stereotypical response of a white knight, you've just admitted to being a white knight for SE. Thanks for making your opinions invalid I guess. /shrug

I dont care what your sig says, less so for your "opinion".

Your contemptuous attitude towards others who dont happen to share your jaded, cynical view is noted and logged accordingly.

[AwesomeJr44]

I dont happen to care what your sig says, and even less for your opinion. Your attitude towards others who dont share your jaded, cynical view is noted and logged accordingly.

If you didn't care about what my sig said, why did you make an entire second post just to respond to it?

What is this:

Oh almost forgot:

I happen to agree with 10000% , having played BOTH games now for several years, the gulf between what Yoshi and his team have done to make this game what it is vs the absolute fwe heap that WOW has become, is utterly gigantic.

I am EXTREMELY impressed with what the team has accomplished, which is why i stay. Before you go off on your "white knight" sneer campaign, just bear this in mind....

For the ONLY time in my decades of gaming, having been the customer of multiple MMOs, MUDs, MUCKs. BBS, multiplayer games of all stripes and kinds since...God how long has it been now....the late 80's..Blizzard are the ONLY company to which I have not only said "I am leaving", but to whom i told to literally WIPE my account, removing ALL TRACE of my past history with them.

Right to be forgotten invoked. I had NEVER done that before, such was my complete disgust. Think for a hard moment on what it took to get to that step.

All of it, gone. All licenses, gone. All games deleted , hard copies THROWN OUT, the cd's literally sliced up. I will never touch another one of their games again. Ever.

Square Enix is not perfect, no one has said otherwise. The game is not perfect nor will it ever be, despite the ardent, at close to, at times , manic nitpicking I have seen here, Yoshi and his team have delivered time and time again.

I am enjoying myself immensely, FF 14 , from the view of a seasoned long time gamer, is far, far superior than most, if not all, of its cohorts. Quite frankly, I am amazed at what they have accomplished, I too am grateful for all they have done.

Would that other MMO devs had the sense to try and follow their example.

And no, not valuing the opinion of someone who literally just admitted to being a white knight for SE is not jaded or cynical. You have just stated that you '10000% agree' with people who have zero objectivity and who say we should be grateful for scraps. Of course I don't value such opinions, they're biased as hell. Either you agree with the stereotypical white knight and are thus one, or you misspoke and should just admit that you misspoke.

[VelKallor]

Little more than the truth. If you cant or wont understand that, not my problem.

[AwesomeJr44]

Little more than the truth. If you cant or wont understand that, not my problem.

You literally just agreed with the stereotypical statement made by people with zero objectivity or grasp on the truth. Not only that, but you made an entire second post just to respond to my signature, meaning it apparently was important enough to you to do so. (Even though you claim to apparently not care what my signature says) You don't get to literally admit to being a white knight for SE and still claim you're on the side of truth.