The Lessons Not Learned.

[IkaraGreydancer]

One of the many reasons why viewership for FFXIV is so bad, to the point that streamers just go and read the forums as "content" or watch youtube videos.

Pretty laughable really.

I don't know an mmo out there that I'd call fun to watch. Also just cause someone isnt streaming the game doesnt mean they arent playing it.

Laughable is when you pay for a product you yourself deem as low effort while trying to take a high ground xD
I don't even care for Zepla. What she does doesnt mean much of anything

[Atelier-Bagur]

Now where did I say that ? I'm talking about streamers like Zepla who have nothing else than that kind of content to show on their stream? Lol.

Are you embarrassed to be part of the FFXIV community? Is that it?

[Stormpeaks]

I don't know an mmo out there that I'd call fun to watch. Also just cause someone isnt streaming the game doesnt mean they arent playing it.

Laughable is when you pay for a product you yourself deem as low effort while trying to take a high ground xD

Unfortunately there are no better MMO options out there right now, that doesnt mean that the game is top tier quality, that just means that it's the "best" of a pile of mediocre MMO's.

MMO's have been going downhill in general anyway, mainly because people have grown up out of MMO's and dont have the time anymore due to IRL, be it work or kids or anything else.

Are you embarrassed to be part of the FFXIV community? Is that it?

I'm sorry ? Lol. Zepla does not represent the entire community,thankfully so.

[IkaraGreydancer]

Unfortunately there are no better MMO options out there right now, that doesnt mean that the game is top tier quality, that just means that it's the "best" of a pile of mediocre MMO's.

MMO's have been going downhill in general anyway, mainly because people have grown up out of MMO's and dont have the time anymore due to IRL, be it work or kids or anything else.



I'm sorry ? Lol. Zepla does not represent the entire community,thankfully so.

Doesnt mean the game is low quality either. At worst xiv could use some changes. Also according to OP xiv is no longer top mmo.

[Stormpeaks]

Doesnt mean the game is low quality either. At worst xiv could use some changes. Also according to OP xiv is no longer top mmo.

Because of the fact all the "top" mmo's dont report numbers anymore (for obvious reasons), it's a bit hard to guess which MMO is the most popular, WoW is picking up as Dragonflight is coming soon, which may or not make an impact on FFXIV sub numbers, but doubt it considering the changes that are happening to the game, a lot of them being in a terrible direction, in particular in regard to m+ and flying.

However from my own perspective which is not proven at all by any metrics, yes FFXIV and WoW are still the top tier MMO's, I would assume followed by Lost Ark, but once again this is just another wild guess as none of them report sub numbers.

Also one of FFXIV's biggest selling point is its story, the problem is that once the story is done for the time being, there really isnt that much to do, and the time between major patches is really not that short, so people do end up getting bored and leaving to play other games, coming back for a few days or weeks at most for the next tier and so on.

It's easy to say "Yeah the game is made so people can leave and then come back and then leave again", but at the same time put a system like auto demolition that forces people to keep logging in the game at the risk of losing your house.

[TomsYoungerBro]

I feel like the only issue with this patch was the rewards for criterion. Pretty lackluster across the board, only getting worse as you climbed up the difficulty. Just giving the title for savage would've been better than giving a manuscript for no value. Honestly, they should've removed the manuscript and given you more silver for completing it on savage since there is no weekly lockout on either. Give the players a way to grind the lackluster hard mode rewards instead of providing even worse savage rewards xD. Its still not a good option, but much better than what they did.

Even as new content they are testing for its popularity, the rewards are still an F.

Otherwise, I think everything else is pretty good at least in my opinion

[IkaraGreydancer]

Because of the fact all the "top" mmo's dont report numbers anymore (for obvious reasons), it's a bit hard to guess which MMO is the most popular, WoW is picking up as Dragonflight is coming soon, which may or not make an impact on FFXIV sub numbers, but doubt it considering the changes that are happening to the game, a lot of them being in a terrible direction, in particular in regard to m+ and flying.

However from my own perspective which is not proven at all by any metrics, yes FFXIV and WoW are still the top tier MMO's, I would assume followed by Lost Ark, but once again this is just another wild guess as none of them report sub numbers.

Also one of FFXIV's biggest selling point is its story, the problem is that once the story is done for the time being, there really isnt that much to do, and the time between major patches is really not that short, so people do end up getting bored and leaving to play other games, coming back for a few days or weeks at most for the next tier and so on.

It's easy to say "Yeah the game is made so people can leave and then come back and then leave again", but at the same time put a system like auto demolition that forces people to keep logging in the game at the risk of losing your house.

Auto demo doesn't force you to do anything. That is purely a personal problem that people pin on the devs. Ik this take will make you call me a white knight again but that how i see it. If I decided to dip n lose my house ill blame myself n myself only. I understand housing is sparse and it been laid out as such. Iirc that doesn't even effect everyone as not everyone owns a home.

The word "force" doesn't apply as you have the freedom of choice. And always will

[Stormpeaks]

Auto demo doesn't force you to do anything. That is purely a personal problem that people pin on the devs. Ik this take will make you call me a white knight again but that how i see it. If I decided to dip n lose my house ill blame myself n myself only. I understand housing is sparse and it been laid out as such. Iirc that doesn't even effect everyone as not everyone owns a home.

The word "force" doesn't apply as you have the freedom of choice. And always will

The blame is not on the players, the blame is on this archaic housing system, it needs more wards and instanced housing for those that dont care about having neighbors.

Edit : Yep, I remember why I stopped responding to you, lol. Enjoy.

[IkaraGreydancer]

The blame is not on the players, the blame is on this archaic housing system, it needs more wards and instanced housing for those that dont care about having neighbors.

We can talk about what it needs forever.
Until that is done the importance you put on a house is 100% on you. Take some responsibility for your actions n what you deem worth or worthy. Landlord doesn't force you to pay bills. He says you either pay or leave. The choice is yours


Edit: You can be petty n say you now see why you stopped responding to me. You can't handle a normal discussion. You only want people who agree with you. Nothing I've said is bad or unreasonable but I digress. Shouldn't have expected more from a liar

[Kaurhz]

You'd think that it would be in peoples' interest to have a streamer (even if 'small') to help bring exposure to a particular topic or debate, but apparently not, according to some people.

Besides, don't see why people take a particular issue or distaste for a streamer using their own platform to debate a particular topic. It is their platform after all.

How very interesting that the 40 something youtuber has run out of content to the point that I am now the subject of discussion on there as well.

No, you are not her topic. The thread is her topic, don't be so self important. Lol