The Lessons Not Learned.

[caffe_macchiato]

See...Id MAYBE believe you...if you also weren't paying said sub. Basically meaning that it DOES justify its price. Not my opinion, that's the fact of the matter

I pay a sub to access my friends list, but the content is long gone. The dungeons and raids we’ve gotten don’t make up for the price I’m paying each month. It’s a very threadbare game. Once I convert my friends to another game I’ll cancel my sub too.

Yall think xiv is bad now? You've no idea how bad it'd be if it was f2p

What’s the worst that could happen, getting a cash shop where an outfit costs $22?

Personally I get my 15$ worth out of the game every month (Also dont the subs pay for server upkeep?)

That means paying $15 x 4 = $60 per patch cycle. The amount of content doesn’t justify paying the same price as a AAA title or WoW sub when those offer 10x the content. I just wish SE realized this before it’s too late. I know we just use the forums for venting, but hopefully there’s a tiny, tiny chance they could actually take this into consideration.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Know what...question.
What do you do in FFXIV? Are all you doing is MSQ? Or do you actually engage in its other content?
If you dont enjoy the content that is one thing, but to say there is not enough to justify the price sounds...off. How do I: who has been playing 8-9 years STILL have plenty of stuff to do, but you sound like you dont have anything/enough to do?

[Lustre]

Know what...question.
What do you do in FFXIV? Are all you doing is MSQ? Or do you actually engage in its other content?
If you dont enjoy the content that is one thing, but to say there is not enough to justify the price sounds...off. How do I: who has been playing 8-9 years STILL have plenty of stuff to do, but you sound like you dont have anything/enough to do?

Some people play more efficiently than others. (preface, I'm not bragging, this is just for perspective) I've only been playing 1.5 years, i'm at 92% minions, 67% mounts, nearly 50% achievements, all extreme mounts, all savage mounts except current, all role quests, all shared fate, a good chunk of gold saucer grinds, practically every job at 90 (sage and reaper i'm taking my time with), soon to be all Trusts will be levelled too. MSQ fully caught up, most sidequests done, all current content (that I am capable of) finished til 6.3, which is quite a way away. At which point, what is there really left for me to do? Sit around on my hands waiting for S ranks to pop? Grind tomes to buy gear that 1. doesn't matter a great deal and 2. will be replaced faster than it takes to get it? There's a very big difference between content and meaningful content. Sure, sitting around waiting for S ranks to spawn is content. And the 5 seconds it takes to kill them, is also content. But is it meaningful content? Will I look forward to doing it or grow to resent it? More than likely it'll be the latter. If it wasn't for my in-game friends, I probably would've unsubbed a while ago and just come back in 2 years or whatever for the next expansion when I'd actually have meaningful things to do

[RukoBoshi]

What’s the worst that could happen, getting a cash shop where an outfit costs $22?

Wow, you really haven't played a lot of f2p MMO if you actually think that.
These kind of games create progression problems to sell you the solution in the cash shop.

Things like leveling, upgrading materials for weapons and armors, making you use loot boxes to obtain items that gives huge avantages to those who don't pay.

Things that actually makes the game less fun for people who don't pay.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Some people play more efficiently than others. (preface, I'm not bragging, this is just for perspective) I've only been playing 1.5 years, i'm at 92% minions, 67% mounts, nearly 50% achievements, all extreme mounts, all savage mounts except current, all role quests, all shared fate, a good chunk of gold saucer grinds, practically every job at 90 (sage and reaper i'm taking my time with), soon to be all Trusts will be levelled too. MSQ fully caught up, most sidequests done, all current content (that I am capable of) finished til 6.3, which is quite a way away. At which point, what is there really left for me to do? Sit around on my hands waiting for S ranks to pop? Grind tomes to buy gear that 1. doesn't matter a great deal and 2. will be replaced faster than it takes to get it? There's a very big difference between content and meaningful content. Sure, sitting around waiting for S ranks to spawn is content. And the 5 seconds it takes to kill them, is also content. But is it meaningful content? Will I look forward to doing it or grow to resent it? More than likely it'll be the latter. If it wasn't for my in-game friends, I probably would've unsubbed a while ago and just come back in 2 years or whatever for the next expansion when I'd actually have meaningful things to do

See, you have a better excuse then some, where the response is just "I dont want to do this, so it doesn't count. Which means there is nothing to do."
But also, again, if the argument is its content you arnt interested in...fine. But to just say there is nothing to do: while there are things you haven't done, is just False

[Renalt]

Some people play more efficiently than others. (preface, I'm not bragging, this is just for perspective) I've only been playing 1.5 years, i'm at 92% minions, 67% mounts, nearly 50% achievements, all extreme mounts, all savage mounts except current, all role quests, all shared fate, a good chunk of gold saucer grinds, practically every job at 90 (sage and reaper i'm taking my time with), soon to be all Trusts will be levelled too. MSQ fully caught up, most sidequests done, all current content (that I am capable of) finished til 6.3, which is quite a way away. At which point, what is there really left for me to do? Sit around on my hands waiting for S ranks to pop? Grind tomes to buy gear that 1. doesn't matter a great deal and 2. will be replaced faster than it takes to get it? There's a very big difference between content and meaningful content. Sure, sitting around waiting for S ranks to spawn is content. And the 5 seconds it takes to kill them, is also content. But is it meaningful content? Will I look forward to doing it or grow to resent it? More than likely it'll be the latter. If it wasn't for my in-game friends, I probably would've unsubbed a while ago and just come back in 2 years or whatever for the next expansion when I'd actually have meaningful things to do

I can absolutely respect this answer. I would feel the same as you buddy.

[ForteNightshade]

Look to WoW as an example of what a raiding community will do when there's content that offers a chance at any sort of power gain - it gets turned into a mandatory commitment.

You're also making an assumption that the gear would have the exact same stats. What if it didn't? What if some jobs ended up with new BiS items coming from Criterion? Players already give a damn about minor DPS increases, that's what the entire BiS chase is about. If they didn't, no one would care about having BiS.

Last time I looked... this isn't WoW.

I made no such assumption; specifically saying it would be "either or". Regardless, the raid community, wouldn't care. Not enough to make it mandatory by any stretch of the imagination. If they did, people would lock out players still using one or two crafting pieces or tanks with sub-optimal accessories. Hell, Ultimate weapons are BiS in the odd patches yet nobody cares about locking those in even for speed runs. Speaking on that, non-meta jobs are still represented in parsing. I should know, I play one of them: Warrior.

We have entirely separate BiS options for jobs based around skill speed. 2.46 Dragoon is weaker than 2.5, the preferred set. Both are still listed for player preference.

To be entirely blunt, this screams of someone who has never set foot in the raid community making baseless accusations of them. It's complete nonsense. Will players want to chase new BiS pieces? Some, probably. Will it be made mandatory for PF or even static recruitment? Nope. Unless you're attempting to join a top rank speed kill group, literally no one will a damn if you have the i630 Crit/Pie Ring or the hypothetical new Criterion Crit/Det one.

[Striker44]

Know what...question.
What do you do in FFXIV? Are all you doing is MSQ? Or do you actually engage in its other content?
If you dont enjoy the content that is one thing, but to say there is not enough to justify the price sounds...off. How do I: who has been playing 8-9 years STILL have plenty of stuff to do, but you sound like you dont have anything/enough to do?

The issue is people "no-lifing" the game. See one of the people who responded to you. I'm in your boat. I played on-and-off starting in 2015, then this became my main game in early 2021. I still have a entire list of things I'm looking forward to doing, from finishing my Sightseeing Log, to getting my last ARR relic weapon (Ninja), to checking out Island Sanctuary (haven't even started yet), etc.. The reality is that no matter how much content a company produces, there will be people who no-life it and consume it faster than it can humanly be produced, and then complain that there's "nothing to do." There's nothing that will ever satisfy people like that, so their input ends up being worthless.

[Midareyukki]

Know what...question.
What do you do in FFXIV? Are all you doing is MSQ? Or do you actually engage in its other content?
If you dont enjoy the content that is one thing, but to say there is not enough to justify the price sounds...off. How do I: who has been playing 8-9 years STILL have plenty of stuff to do, but you sound like you dont have anything/enough to do?

Look no further than Island Sanctuary. The devs specifically said "you're not meant to blitz through this, take it slow". What did people do? They blitzed. Then they pikachu-faced that they don't have much to do.

The only thing I dislike at the moment is that IS feels too slow and that the overall rewards are kind of "eh"? Otherwise I'm just going in there when I feel like it, there's cooler stuff in the game to explore. *cough* like Housing *cough*

Alternatively, I will ask if there is any form of longevity in content. And by this I don't mean "within FF14 itself", but rather in MMOs in general. Is it possible to have content in an MMO that's relevant for an entire patch even beyond reaching the primary goal? Where there's more to it than just farming it for currency that gives X rewards? Because the moment you stop caring about those rewards, it stops having longevity, no?

[RukoBoshi]

Look no further than Island Sanctuary. The devs specifically said "you're not meant to blitz through this, take it slow". What did people do? They blitzed. Then they pikachu-faced that they don't have much to do.

The only thing I dislike at the moment is that IS feels too slow and that the overall rewards are kind of "eh"? Otherwise I'm just going in there when I feel like it, there's cooler stuff in the game to explore. *cough* like Housing *cough*

Alternatively, I will ask if there is any form of longevity in content. And by this I don't mean "within FF14 itself", but rather in MMOs in general. Is it possible to have content in an MMO that's relevant for an entire patch even beyond reaching the primary goal? Where there's more to it than just farming it for currency that gives X rewards? Because the moment you stop caring about those rewards, it stops having longevity, no?

This is spot on. The moment you get your reward, the content start to lose it's interests. The difference here is that some other MMO waste your time for weeks grinding for the reward.

They don't necessarily have better content, they just make you suffer longer to get what you want.

If Island Sanctuary was following the pattern of these MMO, they would have just have halved the XP earned and increase the ressources necessary to upgrade your island. Then it would have lasted you double the time, but it would be a miserable grind.