The Lessons Not Learned.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

But it would benefit everyone, and make a lot more sense, if SE didn’t charge a sub fee. That makes us think this game is like FF11 (the black sheep of the franchise) and WoW, which we all agree it’s not. They need to make the difference clear from a financial standpoint just like they have from a gameplay standpoint.

You are absolutely correct. The disastrous state of current content rollout in no ways justifies the current sub fee. Abolish it.

This makes...no sense.
Just because it charges a Sub Fee, does not mean its like FFXI ( 11 ) or like WoW at all. And not charging a sub fee would benefit everyone on every game ever. Because hey, we all like Free stuff.
Its an MMO: Mass Multiplayer Online, its very clearly in the correct Category, its just that the game is Single Player Friendly, they give you the ability, options to play by yourself. That doesn't change anything.
Saying to Abolish the Subscription, just means you dont want to pay for it. If the game isnt worth your time and money...stop paying for it.

Also, hey, subjective opinion. You and others might say and think there isnt repeatable content, but for me, there is still PLENTY to do, and quite alot of repeatable content. To this day, playing for 8-9 years, I STILL have something to do. And some of that content is stuff I just haven't touched yet.

[caffe_macchiato]

Saying to Abolish the Subscription, just means you dont want to pay for it.

there is still PLENTY to do, and quite alot of repeatable content.

But you already paid for that content. Each expansion costs $40 and has as much content as you'd expect from a $40 game towards the end of its cycle. If you were a long-time subscriber, you paid $40 several times over just from buying those expansions. What's the sub fee for? Servers? That comes with the territory of having an online game. You don't need to pay a subscription for many other online games. Patches? What exactly are we getting from patches that can't come from the purchase price? Each expansion has a low amount of multiplayer content on release, and the devs trickle out the rest over time.

If they want FFXIV to become like all the other numbered Final Fantasies, they need to look at how they work. You do not need to pay a sub fee for FFXV, you pay for the game and its DLC. I assume that FFXVI will be the same way.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

But you already paid for that content. Each expansion costs $40 and has as much content as you'd expect from a $40 game towards the end of its cycle. If you were a long-time subscriber, you paid $40 several times over just from buying those expansions. What's the sub fee for? Servers? That comes with the territory of having an online game. You don't need to pay a subscription for many other online games. Patches? What exactly are we getting from patches that can't come from the purchase price? Each expansion has a low amount of multiplayer content on release, and the devs trickle out the rest over time.

If they want FFXIV to become like all the other numbered Final Fantasies, they need to look at how they work. You do not need to pay a sub fee for FFXV, you pay for the game and its DLC. I assume that FFXVI will be the same way.

So you know how f2p games have loot boxes and worse RNG and pay to make RNG better mechanics?

Imagine a world where you have to pay to see a chance at loot in savage, or it's got gear drop rates like ex mount whistles.

Imagine if, instead of crafted glams, loot boxes.

F2p games are terrible. There's a reason people say they spend more on f2p games than sub games.


Crafting? Need a craft boost or you can't get above 15% hq chance. Melding? Same thing.

People really don't understand what it means to be f2p.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

But you already paid for that content. Each expansion costs $40 and has as much content as you'd expect from a $40 game towards the end of its cycle. If you were a long-time subscriber, you paid $40 several times over just from buying those expansions. What's the sub fee for? Servers? That comes with the territory of having an online game. You don't need to pay a subscription for many other online games. Patches? What exactly are we getting from patches that can't come from the purchase price? Each expansion has a low amount of multiplayer content on release, and the devs trickle out the rest over time.

If they want FFXIV to become like all the other numbered Final Fantasies, they need to look at how they work. You do not need to pay a sub fee for FFXV, you pay for the game and its DLC. I assume that FFXVI will be the same way.

You paid for access to the Expansion. That money covers your access to it, and its current content. Everything in post is extra, otherwise we should be paying alot more. We arnt paying nearly as much as we should be, but thats a different conversation, and frankly, Id rather have this Subscription Model then the Alternative of Paying for Everything...like having to pay for Patches as DLC. No Thanks.
They dont need to look at anything more then they are, FFXIV is not a SIngle Player Game, its an MMO, and it functions as one. It just has More ways to play it then being forced to play it like other games such as WoW.

And....Im sorry but comparing FFXIV to games like FFXV and FFXVI isnt a good argument. Because those are purely Single Player Game Experiences.
FFXIV is not. You have the ability to play it with Bots, but that doesnt make it a Single Player Game.

[TomsYoungerBro]

You paid for access to the Expansion. That money covers your access to it, and its current content. Everything in post is extra, otherwise we should be paying alot more. We arnt paying nearly as much as we should be, but thats a different conversation, and frankly, Id rather have this Subscription Model then the Alternative of Paying for Everything...like having to pay for Patches as DLC. No Thanks.

Let's not get crazy here XD. We pay $60 per expansion, + a subscription per month, + we have a mogstation. We are paying plenty.

[caffe_macchiato]

We arnt paying nearly as much as we should be

Endwalker had maybe five hours of actual gameplay, the rest being text boxes, cutscenes, and walking to the next NPC. We are vastly overpaying if our $53 (expansion plus one month subscription) is to be judged on release-date content alone when a 100-hour all-inclusive JRPG costs the same.

[aveyond-dreams]

Endwalker had maybe five hours of actual gameplay, the rest being text boxes, cutscenes, and walking to the next NPC. We are vastly overpaying if our $53 (expansion plus one month subscription) is to be judged on release-date content alone when a 100-hour all-inclusive JRPG costs the same.

Could not have said it better myself. There is no reason to tack on a monthly sub fee on top of this.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Endwalker had maybe five hours of actual gameplay, the rest being text boxes, cutscenes, and walking to the next NPC. We are vastly overpaying if our $53 (expansion plus one month subscription) is to be judged on release-date content alone when a 100-hour all-inclusive JRPG costs the same.

Sound like you arnt doing anything more then just blitzing the MSQ story, when there is more to do then just that. So that means you are playing it like a Single Player Game, or all you care about is the MSQ. Thats no fault of the game, its how you are playing it. But if all you like and care about is MSQ thats fine, but its false to say there is only 5 hours of gameplay.

Could not have said it better myself. There is no reason to tack on a monthly sub fee on top of this.

Sounds like you have the same issue of only doing 1 thing in the game, if you believe there is only 5 hours of Content.

[MikkoAkure]

Could not have said it better myself. There is no reason to tack on a monthly sub fee on top of this.

Isn't the normal answer to "There's not enough content" + "I don't want to pay a monthly sub" = "Quitting until content you're interested in comes up"?

If the game wasn't doing well, they wouldn't have a monthly sub. Considering it's what's keeping the creaky ship that is Square Enix afloat, it's not going to go anywhere because you yourself are upset about the game.


To quote someone else in another thread replying to you saying that SE needs to listen to you, specifically and that you were going to save the game:

They're not concerned about retaining any single player over any other single player. It's rather arrogant and self-centered of you to think you have such significance.

SE can't implement all of the several million ideas that a couple of million active players are going to have. The vast majority are going to end up disappointed as their feedback gains no direct response and no implementation.

Quite honestly, if you're that unhappy with the game I can't understand why you bother to log in to do a couple of leves then log out. It's a tiny amount of gil that isn't going to do you any good as you play your other games and won't amount to anything helpful if you decide to return when 7.0 is released.

When you're getting too unhappy with a game, the best thing to do is walk away. That's what I did with WoW when I got fed up with all the changes there. The game it became was not the game I used to enjoy. There's no point wasting money on something you don't enjoy thinking that somehow that's going to make it better. Make a clean break, give it several months, then decide if it's worth giving the game another try.

[Aword3213]

Could not have said it better myself. There is no reason to tack on a monthly sub fee on top of this.

Stop paying then. Why be the enabler?