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  1. #241
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    Curisu's Avatar
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    Chryden Speakel
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    Odin
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    Blue Mage Lv 80
    This small 0.05 patch is nice.
    This new dungeon gave my GF and me something to do for yesterday and today we will finish it.
    We then will try the harder version, maybe with some FC mate's.
    So hopefully we clear the hard mode and then can find a group for the savage.

    And then there are things I still want to do because I was unable to.
    PvP, doing EW normal quests, older beast tribes, more Eureka/BA runs and some friends need help with DRS.
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  2. #242
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    Kozh's Avatar
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    Corvo Aerden
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    Kujata
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    Dark Knight Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Deveryn View Post
    Yeah, the hypocrisy is real with that fool. We shouldn't silence his voice, but don't you dare approach him with any kind of reason.
    You're the last people who's allowed to say "with reason", when nearly all your response to criticism towards the game is thinly veiled sarcasm and eyeroll/smug emoji. You even defend the game's issue with glams, something that a lot of people have problem with. You also love to claim that since no one here works for SE, they shouldn't assume things; yet you act like you works there when trying to defend the game.
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  3. #243
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    EryxGG's Avatar
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    Rydia Farron
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    Midgardsormr
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    Samurai Lv 90
    I'm really not miffed at all about the relic quest. I think hilibrand is pretty unique, you either like the humor or you don't. I personally did, so doing the quest chain never bothered me at all. If you've never done it, and you don't care, you can blast through it in under an hour probably if you're skipping cutscenes. As far as the relic weapon only needing tomestones... it's the base weapon. It's supposed to be dumb easy to acquire, it's not supposed to take any grind or any real investment. It's meant to be something any player can acquire for essentially free. This way everyone is on an equal footing once the next relic steps are added and the genuine "grind" starts. I think that's how it should be.

    As far as the new dungeon system, so far it seems interesting... but my problem arises from the lack of rewards. The glam is cool, but it's a very "niche" glam that not everyone is going to be into or ever use. For content like this, I really think more rewards need to be added as soon as possible, additional glamour sets of different style. Or, they find a way to tie this dungeon system into the main gear progression pathway. Whether that's with another green gear-set that's like ilvl 615(just below tomestone/envoy gear) for the normal version, and for the savage version, it could be a source of Moonshine Twine/Shine/Brine for the Augmented 630 gear.

    What I'm hoping is that this new dungeon system is going to get a lot of developer focus and attention going forward into the future, at least the 4 man savage content aspect of it. My hope is that eventually it gets tied into main gear progression and that this is the first step to YoshiP/Square branching out from the overly predictable content release framework that this game has had for YEARS now. Like how there's always ONE raid zone per expansion, with 3 tiers each consisting of 4 bosses. How there's usually 3 trials at exp launch, another 2'ish added during an expansion's lifecycle, etc. I think they need to spice things up if they want to start catering to a larger, broader audience in the mmorpg "space". And if that's gonna happen, I think the formula will need to be tweaked sooner or later.
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    Last edited by EryxGG; 10-20-2022 at 04:45 PM.

  4. #244
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    Kozh's Avatar
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    Corvo Aerden
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    Kujata
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    Dark Knight Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk View Post
    And thus gate it behind Bozja, which in turn was gated behind Ivalice.
    Like how EW relic is gated behind Hildibrand? Which require two trials and hours of cutscenes? Or how the relic is already gated by countless hours of MSQ itself?
    That aside, yes being gated by Hildibrand is probably still easier and shorter compared to being gated behind both ivalice and bozja. But who says the dev can’t cheat a bit? They can make it so that canon-wise, the player’s WoL has experienced Bozja so we don’t have to finish it to start EW relics.

    Quote Originally Posted by VelKallor View Post
    Not to mention virtually no one does it now, finding people for DR is a headache. I liked what i saw of it, but tbh it wasnt future proofed, same with Eureka.
    It might have less activity than Eureka, but I still find a group or two during prime time for Bozja and Zadnor. DR is a bit more difficult, but I can see some people making PF for it. They’re already generous enough with the buffed Echo.

    Quote Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer View Post
    Who here is shilling though...were pointing out facts. You aren't required to do Fates. That's ONE way to get them. You can turn in your ARR relic to skip that step entirely. Am I a shill for saying I like this first step due to being someone who always gets all 1st step weps for all classes? Or am I just someone who sees things differently? People like you don't get that people can GENUINELY just like something that others don't. Doesn't make them a shill or white knight. You use that terminology to devalue their opinion which only makes you look bitter and upset.
    Why do you feel called out Ikara? I wasn’t even talking to you
    And I can the same to you. Just because you don’t agree with people like OP doesn’t mean he’s a hater or fool. You use that terminology to devalue their opinion which only makes you look bitter and upset.
    Don’t project yourself on others.

    Quote Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer View Post
    It's also funny you opt for them to copy SB relics...when I've seen your camp complain about the devs being lazy. I bet if they did copy you'd just be upset at the lack or new relic ideas.
    ??? Now you just assume things. I like Eureka, I like Bozja. I know some people from “my camp” (as you weirdly put) who also like zone-based relic system. Why should we hate it?

    Quote Originally Posted by LianaThorne View Post
    A person engaged in covert advertising. The shill attempts to spread buzz by personally endorsing the product in public forums with the pretense of sincerity, when in fact he is being paid for his services… snip
    Actually, yeah you’re right. My bad. I think the more fitting words are white knights, or cultist. I dunno, you pick one you like more.
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  5. #245
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    Sacae's Avatar
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    Holo Wisewolf
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    Cerberus
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    Dancer Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Kozh View Post
    Like how EW relic is gated behind Hildibrand? Which require two trials and hours of cutscenes? Or how the relic is already gated by countless hours of MSQ itself?
    Hildebrand has four trials.
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  6. #246
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    Dragonhand's Avatar
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    Maffer Dragonhand
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    Odin
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    Scholar Lv 70
    Honestly this was a bad and due to very fixable options.
    Relic is a complete bore for any one that has Hildebrand quest up to date. Payment of 1500 can really be done 2 out 3 times a week by any casual player, some one grinding dungeons all day or will have all relics in 1 week or 2... We need a grind even if it 1week per weapon grind.
    The random dungeons have no bloody rewards that make us do it. Honestly I've done the easy on 3 different paths and I already feel like not doing them. What's the point, one mount? That's it? I remember when I started doing eureka, there were so many rewards, nice clothes for glam, the weapons were cool worth grinding. That's what I was expecting, some items I could grind, glans or even 620ilvl gear. Dunno, something, anything...
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  7. #247
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    hagare's Avatar
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    Cesan Duff
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    Tonberry
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    Dragoon Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Sacae View Post
    Hildebrand has four trials.
    don't hurt him even more. THat's two extra trials
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  8. #248
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    Atelier-Bagur's Avatar
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    Cordelia Emery
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    Coeurl
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    Marauder Lv 82
    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonhand View Post
    Honestly this was a bad and due to very fixable options.
    Relic is a complete bore for any one that has Hildebrand quest up to date. Payment of 1500 can really be done 2 out 3 times a week by any casual player, some one grinding dungeons all day or will have all relics in 1 week or 2... We need a grind even if it 1week per weapon grind.
    The random dungeons have no bloody rewards that make us do it. Honestly I've done the easy on 3 different paths and I already feel like not doing them. What's the point, one mount? That's it? I remember when I started doing eureka, there were so many rewards, nice clothes for glam, the weapons were cool worth grinding. That's what I was expecting, some items I could grind, glans or even 620ilvl gear. Dunno, something, anything...
    ShB relic literally started out with the same step. Use 1000 tomestones to buy 3 thavnarian powders for your base weapon. Heck the first one was given to you for free!
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  9. #249
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    Jebatus Atreides
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    Phoenix
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Agreed, me and my friends were so hyped for the new dungeons, only to discover they give you one shitty glam that feels out of place if you are anything other then Limsa afker. One silly rat mount and one ugly throne, its an absolute joke. And i feel like im gonna skip these relics, not only half of them right now look like they are random dungeon drop or made out of plastic or wood, And i despize Hildis slapstic humor, just not my thing. Good job Yoshi we waited months for this???
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  10. #250
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    Yesui Iriq
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    Louisoix
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    Dancer Lv 90
    Considering the number of other games that are being released at the moment, the new patches not being gigantic timesinks is a real relief. Just speaking for myself, I have recently played Triangle Strategy, Slay the Spire, Legends Arceus, and I started Octopath Traveler - because I don't have to spend three or four hours every day in Eorzea. The new Pokemon game and Tactics Ogre are coming out soon too. I am truly grateful not to be held hostage by an MMO that forces me to play every day if I don't want to start lagging behind.

    The new relics give some value back to Tomestones of Astronomics. When 6.2 was released you could make money selling crafting mats, but the prices have logically dropped now, besides, tomestones being just turned over for money is boring. The way it is designed - especially if you aren't minmaxing and regularly cap out the non-latest tomestones - you probably could get your first relic straight out during the quest. After that, it gives you an incentive to run your roulettes again so you get the other ones. But you don't have to.

    For the first time they have introduced hard content for 4-player teams. I'm playing with two friends, with two more tagging along less frequently, and aside from POTD & HoH we never got to do tough content together. Now we will probably try it, which is a clear positive for me. So it's not really the "business as usual" that has been floating around. Between that and Island Sanctuary they have added some real original content to the game during this patch, it's just that as it is new, I find it extremely smart not to lock tons of rewards behind that content...because they didn't know how enjoyable it would be. If it works, they expand, if it doesn't work, they don't.

    For that reason, the rewards are so far limited, so you don't force people to spend a ton of time doing something that might not really work. It's much more healthy IMO than locking relics behind having to spend dozens of hours in Eureka Pagos of all places. Bad content with good rewards is much worse design-wise than good content with bad rewards, because you can do the good content "just for fun" or be done with it and redo it later just for the hell of it. Is there a single person who thought "Mmmh, today, I will enjoy myself by going out and grinding for Louhi and Cassie because that's so entertaining" ? They are moving away from the "have to" and towards the "want to", and that is fantastic.

    People are entitled to express negativity, but there's no reason to say "Everyone should feel like me". Besides, Yoshi-P has repeatedly mentioned that this game is not designed with a hardcore, "people can only play FFXIV" mindset. Every time new content is released, it seems some people get angry because they stay true to that, but it's not going to change. The game's success was built on its accessibility, it would be mind-boggingly stupid for them to do a 180 and become a huge timesink.
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