The Lessons Not Learned.

[Kozh]

And thus gate it behind Bozja, which in turn was gated behind Ivalice.

Like how EW relic is gated behind Hildibrand? Which require two trials and hours of cutscenes? Or how the relic is already gated by countless hours of MSQ itself?
That aside, yes being gated by Hildibrand is probably still easier and shorter compared to being gated behind both ivalice and bozja. But who says the dev can’t cheat a bit? They can make it so that canon-wise, the player’s WoL has experienced Bozja so we don’t have to finish it to start EW relics.

Not to mention virtually no one does it now, finding people for DR is a headache. I liked what i saw of it, but tbh it wasnt future proofed, same with Eureka.

It might have less activity than Eureka, but I still find a group or two during prime time for Bozja and Zadnor. DR is a bit more difficult, but I can see some people making PF for it. They’re already generous enough with the buffed Echo.

Who here is shilling though...were pointing out facts. You aren't required to do Fates. That's ONE way to get them. You can turn in your ARR relic to skip that step entirely. Am I a shill for saying I like this first step due to being someone who always gets all 1st step weps for all classes? Or am I just someone who sees things differently? People like you don't get that people can GENUINELY just like something that others don't. Doesn't make them a shill or white knight. You use that terminology to devalue their opinion which only makes you look bitter and upset.

Why do you feel called out Ikara? I wasn’t even talking to you
And I can the same to you. Just because you don’t agree with people like OP doesn’t mean he’s a hater or fool. You use that terminology to devalue their opinion which only makes you look bitter and upset.
Don’t project yourself on others.

It's also funny you opt for them to copy SB relics...when I've seen your camp complain about the devs being lazy. I bet if they did copy you'd just be upset at the lack or new relic ideas.

??? Now you just assume things. I like Eureka, I like Bozja. I know some people from “my camp” (as you weirdly put) who also like zone-based relic system. Why should we hate it?

A person engaged in covert advertising. The shill attempts to spread buzz by personally endorsing the product in public forums with the pretense of sincerity, when in fact he is being paid for his services… snip

Actually, yeah you’re right. My bad. I think the more fitting words are white knights, or cultist. I dunno, you pick one you like more.

[Sacae]

Like how EW relic is gated behind Hildibrand? Which require two trials and hours of cutscenes? Or how the relic is already gated by countless hours of MSQ itself?

Hildebrand has four trials.

[hagare]

Hildebrand has four trials.

don't hurt him even more. THat's two extra trials

[LianaThorne]

Actually, yeah you’re right. My bad. I think the more fitting words are white knights, or cultist. I dunno, you pick one you like more.

I mean, I'll take any word that where the actions of someone actually match the definition of the word. That would be lovely.

[IkaraGreydancer]

Like how EW relic is gated behind Hildibrand? Which require two trials and hours of cutscenes? Or how the relic is already gated by countless hours of MSQ itself?
That aside, yes being gated by Hildibrand is probably still easier and shorter compared to being gated behind both ivalice and bozja. But who says the dev can’t cheat a bit? They can make it so that canon-wise, the player’s WoL has experienced Bozja so we don’t have to finish it to start EW relics.


It might have less activity than Eureka, but I still find a group or two during prime time for Bozja and Zadnor. DR is a bit more difficult, but I can see some people making PF for it. They’re already generous enough with the buffed Echo.


Why do you feel called out Ikara? I wasn’t even talking to you
And I can the same to you. Just because you don’t agree with people like OP doesn’t mean he’s a hater or fool. You use that terminology to devalue their opinion which only makes you look bitter and upset.
Don’t project yourself on others.


??? Now you just assume things. I like Eureka, I like Bozja. I know some people from “my camp” (as you weirdly put) who also like zone-based relic system. Why should we hate it?


Actually, yeah you’re right. My bad. I think the more fitting words are white knights, or cultist. I dunno, you pick one you like more.

Ok you're clearly either not reading or aren't comprehending...

I simply asked WHO here is shilling in which you have yet to answer the question. Apparently me inquiring further someone means I feel called out? Oke bud. I never ONCE called OP a hater or a fool so wtf are you even talking about? I said IF we're gonna call people defending the game shills n white knights (which is wrong) then we can call the opposite haters (still wrong). You know...giving what you get? Being fair on both sides? Didn't think I needed to lay this out to you people.

Also I've seen MANY times here people complain about not having new n fresh content with new ideas. People hated Boz cause it was just Eureka again. I'm not dumb. If they did release another Eureka zone certain folks will indeed complain about dev laziness. Again we've seen it many times here already. Never said you SHOULD hate anything. Maybe go back n reread?

Then again...reading isn't the issue. You're trying to purposely twist what I'm saying to make it look bad, which is another common thing with (yes) your camp.