The Lessons Not Learned.

[Midareyukki]

Sidenote: I personally, hated Bozja. It felt very gated, grindy, and extremely unfriendly. Not only that, but all of those resources seem totally wasted considering it's basically dead content, imo. I don't want to play Final Fantasy 12 or Final Fantasy Bozja, I want to play FFXIV. I do understand the complaints for people not having a long term project in game to work on, and it would be nice if there was a way to provide something like that towards those players.

4. Dark Tone vs Light and Breezy: I saw this barely mentioned, but again I know that the devs check these forums and I want this feedback to get to them. This game has portrayed dead children, beaten prostitutes, sexual abuse, and much worse. I honestly hate it. I don't watch Game of Thrones, The Boyz or anything else that is so needlessly violent and horrible. Maybe I'm the only one that has struggled in life, but I come to entertainment to get away from the evils of the world. I do not want to see that in my video games. People can throw around the rating all day, this is just my opinion. I have no idea why our society has come to a point of basically worshipping purely evil and absolutely detestable media, but it is what it is. I have this forum, so I'll fight for more restrained content every day. This is meant to be a sanctuary away from the pains of real life, not pile in the ground for my nose to be rubbed in it.

So you hate Bozja because it's grindy and extremely unfriendly... despite being the most friendly version of Eureka possible? When everything you need is told to you? Where you don't need to level up, just rank up? Where Rank really just tells you that you can progress through the story and has zero bearing on whether you live or die to the mobs you face? Where you don't need to be careful because massive dragons are at chokepoints and bar you from passing to major areas? Despite the fact that grinding is what this game relies on the most? And you really do think that it was "wasted resources" when it expanded on a recently-added race? What, only Miqo'te and Au Ra get to have their races' lore explored? Didn't know, sorry.

Your post had such an unfair assessment. "Extremely unfriendly" to whom? To the people who skipped their explanations and clicked "I understand what I must do" without reading and then regretted it? Or the people who did that without actually understanding it? I'm not saying there weren't unfriendly moments, but calling it extremely unfriendly is such a stretch it became spaghetti. Every piece of content can have unfair stuff, POTD has unfair challenges, especially in Deep Dives. Keep in mind, you're free to have your own opinion, but if you're going to try and back it up with "facts", at least be real about them.

You don't want to play FF12, that's fine. The expression "Final Fantasy Bozja" is just you showing your clear bias toward Bozja, which again, is incredibly unfair. Bozja's a part of Final Fantasy XIV as much as Lyhe Ghiah is. It's a part of the Final Fantasy franchise as much as the Tidus laugh and the Nibelheim Incident are. But keep in mind that it was Yasumi Matsuno who influenced the dev team to make FF14 the way they did? That Yoshida says that the initial runs of FF14 at least were inspired on the tone of Game of Thrones? Also what is this ridiculous "maybe I'm the only one who struggled through life" thing, do you honestly think you're that special and that only you matter? Things happen. And unfortunately what it sounds like is that you picked up a game which exhibited that sort of tone and inspiration, at least in its initial portions, and now are complaining that they exist when you could have just admitted to yourself "yeah nah, this is fun but the tone isn't for me" and called it a day. Sorry Arrow, that's YOUR personal problem, not the game's. You should have thought of that when you decided to continue. Great that the story after a while (~Stormblood) stops, but they are still going to fall back on that tone sometimes because it's what's been established.

It's not "a worship of evil". Have you ever asked people WHY they enjoy it to know with that much certainty? It's simply a different tone than the weird bubblegum disney product you apparently are craving for. If this community cared so much about the evil bit and glorified it, we wouldn't feel happy that the evildoers get punished. Nor would we feel unhappy when they don't. You clearly didn't pay attention to Bozja, then. Because one thing nobody liked was that guys like Sicinius get to live after what's revealed about him. Get over yourself if you're going to pass down judgment on it, please? One thing is you disliking content, which IS FINE, everyone here hates one content or other that someone else enjoys. But don't be this unfair to it, and don't act like you didn't have multiple chances to back off from the game when you saw the sort of tone they were establishing as early as ARR.

"I have this forum, so I'll fight for more restrained content every day. This is meant to be a sanctuary away from the pains of real life, not pile in the ground for my nose to be rubbed in it."
You're not our nanny. And no, at no point did they tell you this HAD to be a sanctuary from the pains of real life, otherwise they wouldn't have made ARR with that tone to begin with. Only someone who sees themself on one hell of a moral pedestal would say drivel like that.
Sure, have the restrained content you want, by all means, and keep in mind that the devs have since dialed the explicit suffering way down. That's a good thing. But don't act like media must be the escapist fantasy of sunshine and rainbows YOU want them to be. And don't act like you need to stick and fight against a game that does it. You don't own it.

[LittleArrow]

-snip- You don't own it.

You're completely right. I don't own anything. This is why, in my post, I said "this is just my opinion." I know I'm in the extreme minority, and I was never intending to represent a group of people (those who view very violent / graphic media) with my opinion. I firmly stated everything I said as my opinion as well as that I didn't understand. I don't understand. I don't need to understand. I'm simply providing feedback. I'm ok with you disagreeing with it. You can think my opinion is wrong, just like I think yours is.

I hope this feedback helps the development team in any way possible.

[Midareyukki]

You're completely right. I don't own anything. This is why, in my post, I said "this is just my opinion." I know I'm in the extreme minority, and I was never intending to represent a group of people (those who view very violent / graphic media) with my opinion. I firmly stated everything I said as my opinion as well as that I didn't understand. I don't understand. I don't need to understand. I'm simply providing feedback. I'm ok with you disagreeing with it. You can think my opinion is wrong, just like I think yours is.

I hope this feedback helps the development team in any way possible.

Except your "opinion", as you claim it, is entirely based on a false premiss. You called it "extremely unfriendly", when it is anyhing but. Especially in comparison to all the rest we've gotten that can compare to Bozja. I'm not stating that as an opinion, that's a fact, you have actual comparisons there to be made to corroborate whether it is indeed unfriendly or not. Whether you still feel like it is past it, that's an opinion. But tell me, if I came to you and said "Yoshida dresses up like a horse every night" just because I feel like he is (he just has one of those faces), wouldn't you think I was kooky?

I don't know where you got that you're representing any group of people... at all. I said that you're saying things like you're on such a pedestal when it's not only not your job, it's also not your right to do so? Feedback can be provided in a certain way, what you want is to usurp what the creative team is doing and implement your own vision. You clearly were okay going through ARR and endured the evil, and you know how it's evolved. And you're complaining now?

And Arrow, you're the one stating stuff is an opinion, yet you approach the topic with:

I come to entertainment to get away from the evils of the world. I do not want to see that in my video games. People can throw around the rating all day, this is just my opinion. I have no idea why our society has come to a point of basically worshipping purely evil and absolutely detestable media, but it is what it is. I have this forum, so I'll fight for more restrained content every day. This is meant to be a sanctuary away from the pains of real life, not a pile in the ground for my nose to be rubbed in it.

Is it what it is?
Is the game out for your blood and try to rub you on dirt?
Who told you the game had to be that sanctuary? You?
Or did you get into something with a tone that made you uncomfortable and can't admit that the issue lies in you? That the game you purchased has those elements that you cannot concile with and instead just blamed everyone else for something you couldn't accept?

And you can disagree with whether I'm right in calling you out, of course. But at least I'm not calling the sky yellow and convincing people that it is yellow on a whim.
There is no such thing as a "wrong opinion". You can't value subjectivity that way. What there is is just someone being a bit daft and getting called out. Especially when they try to pass it as "opinion".

Edit: Also, if I'm right... why are you saying you find me wrong at the end? -.w.`

[Lazariah]

Except your "opinion", as you claim it, is entirely based on a false premiss. You called it "extremely unfriendly", when it is anyhing but. Especially in comparison to all the rest we've gotten that can compare to Bozja. I'm not stating that as an opinion, that's a fact, you have actual comparisons there to be made to corroborate whether it is indeed unfriendly or not. Whether you still feel like it is past it, that's an opinion. But tell me, if I came to you and said "Yoshida dresses up like a horse every night" just because I feel like he is (he just has one of those faces), wouldn't you think I was kooky?

I don't know where you got that you're representing any group of people... at all. I said that you're saying things like you're on such a pedestal when it's not only not your job, it's also not your right to do so? Feedback can be provided in a certain way, what you want is to usurp what the creative team is doing and implement your own vision. You clearly were okay going through ARR and endured the evil, and you know how it's evolved. And you're complaining now?

And Arrow, you're the one stating stuff is an opinion, yet you approach the topic with:


Is it what it is?
Is the game out for your blood and try to rub you on dirt?
Who told you the game had to be that sanctuary? You?
Or did you get into something with a tone that made you uncomfortable and can't admit that the issue lies in you? That the game you purchased has those elements that you cannot concile with and instead just blamed everyone else for something you couldn't accept?

And you can disagree with whether I'm right in calling you out, of course. But at least I'm not calling the sky yellow and convincing people that it is yellow on a whim.
There is no such thing as a "wrong opinion". You can't value subjectivity that way. What there is is just someone being a bit daft and getting called out. Especially when they try to pass it as "opinion".

Edit: Also, if I'm right... why are you saying you find me wrong at the end? -.w.`

Jesus dude you act like she murdered your cat or something. Let her have her opinion. Who cares? You are getting way to upset about this.

[Midareyukki]

Jesus dude you act like she murdered your cat or something. Let her have her opinion. Who cares? You are getting way to upset about this.

Again, calling something that's false and preachier than a Catholic priest "an opinion" is disingenuous as all hell.

Maybe she did murder my cat. Who knows, it'd be my opinion.

Or maybe I just found her assessment unfair, and as she got preachy that's where I drew the line.
I ask you the same. Why do you feel compelled to reply? :P Who cares about whether I'm calling her out or not?

[Lazariah]

Again, calling something that's false and preachier than a Catholic priest "an opinion" is disingenuous as all hell.

Maybe she did murder my cat. Who knows, it'd be my opinion.

Or maybe I just found her assessment unfair, and as she got preachy that's where I drew the line.
I ask you the same. Why do you feel compelled to reply? :P Who cares about whether I'm calling her out or not?

I care because you're being a jerk to someone who doesn't remotely deserve it. Guess I shouldn't have bothered replying to you. My mistake. This will be the last time. I'll just report you instead.

[kpxmanifesto]

I'll just report you instead.

Hahaha, it's apparent you're very new here if you think that's a solution. Welcome to the official forums.

[Midareyukki]

I care because you're being a jerk to someone who doesn't remotely deserve it. Guess I shouldn't have bothered replying to you. My mistake. This will be the last time. I'll just report you instead.

How am I being a jerk? I just called her out on being preachy. Report away, why don't you? I'll report you in turn for the exact same reason. And we'll go round and round. It's not about who deserves it or not. If I see she's being unfair, why wouldn't I call her out on it? You're calling ME out, and now you're acting like a white knight? Give me a break...

It was just one post :P Verbose, sure, but it was just one post. She replied, I replied back.

If you have a problem with what I said, that's great, sweetie. But you're going to have A LOT of issues with so many people here, let me tell ya