The Lessons Not Learned.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Y'all in here tweaking out while I'm recovering from getting into a fight with discount Jesus at an Arby's.

I just wanted some cheese sticks and smoked brisket man.

My Lord, you threw hands over some Arby's Brisket and Cheese Sticks? Did you at least add some Curly Fries or a Peach Lemonaid into that mix?
If Im going down, its with a Complete Meal. Or at least a Drink for after I win....or lose....I just want an Arby's Peach Lemonaid....I think they are good <_<;

Let the man have his opinion, and accept that he has it, and move on.

I tried taking him seriously, then I found his takes less.....agreeable, or sensible. Depending.
But now I dont take the guy seriously both based on some of his more recent posts, and also I doubt he even actually plays the game.
I looked at his Profile, and I see evidence that he hasn't played the game since maybe the End of Vanilla Endwalker.
So now the question is, how does he know anything if he's not playing the game? Does he have a whole nother account? Or is he just watching people and forming opinions?
I honestly dont REALLY care for an answer, because nothing will be gained or lost...moreso at this point, if he really does hate the current state of the game as he says he is, then I hope he is doing something or playing another game that he enjoys more.
Just seems miserable to constantly complain, and find nothing to enjoy. Or very little.

Also to note...he also got alot of crap because he talks in an objective manner. Like everything he says is right, even when its not.
And he talked like he speaks for everyone.
So yeah.

[BaconBits]

My Lord, you threw hands over some Arby's Brisket and Cheese Sticks? Did you at least add some Curly Fries or a Peach Lemonaid into that mix?
If Im going down, its with a Complete Meal. Or at least a Drink for after I win....or lose....I just want an Arby's Peach Lemonaid....I think they are good <_<;

Ye I got my curly fries, but I didn't know they had Peach Lemonaid. Granted, I never look because I just get Dr. Pepper every time I go there lol.

[LittleArrow]

I just wanted to throw my own representation in this thread, because I feel a really terrible habit that has formed for years now is people saying they represent huge groups of the playerbase when in fact, they don't.

I've been playing this game since beta, and I'm very happy with this patch and the content they've released.

1. Relic: I'm very happy with the relic quest. I'm an older gamer and I welcome Yoshida's desire to steer some content my way considering I have many real life obligations. I do not feel bad for more hardcore players, because there is content exclusively for them that is being regularly implemented. I'm happy with the easy first step and I know I'll probably drop off the relic quest once the more grindy steps come into play, and I'm fine with that. My personal confusion with the forums is it seems to be either too grindy (have to do Manderville quests) or not grindy enough (too easy with tomestone purchase).

I'm honestly at a loss at how SE could please both crowds without re-implementing Bozja / Eureka as I see that's what the real complaint here is. My advice to my fellow WoLs would be to be please be patient, they do content in cycles, and more than likely they'll implement a Bozja-like zone in the next exapansion or one after that. We all take turns in XIV, us deep dungeon crowd had to wait too.

2. Criterion / Variant Dungeons: I was extremely impressed and very happy with this content. I love the ease and controlled challenge of the dungeons. I really enjoyed getting to know Nanamo and the history of Ul'dah. I understand the complaints with the rewards, but I think they're fine for this first step into this content. I truly hope that they continue to expand upon this content and perhaps use this content as a means for leveling. Still, I've thoroughly enjoyed it and have been farming it enough solo to get my mount! I hope we get more Criterion dungeons for the other major cities (Gelmora for Gridania would be really fun to explore).

3. Content disparity: This is probably the main point I agree with OP, but definitely not the tone being portrayed. Coming from 1.x, I know what "no content" actually looks like, and this isn't it. It does seem like the team is under strain due to the release of FF16, and I commend Yoshi and his team for managing both projects. Still, I would like to see more development with the content that is being released. The time between patches does seem pretty long even though the .2 / .5 patches in between have been good so far. I completely agree more content is better.

Sidenote: I personally, hated Bozja. It felt very gated, grindy, and extremely unfriendly. Not only that, but all of those resources seem totally wasted considering it's basically dead content, imo. I don't want to play Final Fantasy 12 or Final Fantasy Bozja, I want to play FFXIV. I do understand the complaints for people not having a long term project in game to work on, and it would be nice if there was a way to provide something like that towards those players.

4. Dark Tone vs Light and Breezy: I saw this barely mentioned, but again I know that the devs check these forums and I want this feedback to get to them. This game has portrayed dead children, beaten prostitutes, sexual abuse, and much worse. I honestly hate it. I don't watch Game of Thrones, The Boyz or anything else that is so needlessly violent and horrible. I come to entertainment to get away from the evils of the world. I do not want to see that in my video games. People can throw around the rating all day, this is just my opinion. I have no idea why our society has come to a point of basically worshipping purely evil and absolutely detestable media, but it is what it is. I have this forum, so I'll fight for more restrained content every day. This is meant to be a sanctuary away from the pains of real life, not a pile in the ground for my nose to be rubbed in it.

Overall, I'd give this .5 patch an 8 / 10. I'm excited for more development with criterion dungeons and I truly hope we get the fun weapons at some point with the Hildibrand quests.

[hagare]

Kind of ironic how this applies to both of you, since it's pretty clear that neither of you remember the first step of the Heavensward relic.
Y'know, the step that required a significant amount of time farming FATEs in every Heavensward zone, for a total of 18 crystals (3 from each zone).

wut? *someone who turned in ARR relic*

[Atelier-Bagur]

The only reason I defend him is because I think he has the right to his opinion, wrong or not does not matter, he has the right to his opinion, and he doesnt deserve to be attacked in every single thread he makes by the same clique of people because they disagree with him, saying that he uses multi accounts to agree with himself, just because they cant accept that some will agree with his opinions, saying that he doesnt deserve to have an opinion, that kind of comment is not acceptable, everyone has the right to an opinion, including him.

At this point, we are way past harassement and it's very much time to stop.

Who's saying that he doesnt deserve an opinion? Just because a lot of people dont agree with him and find his takes....extremely off point doesnt mean its harassement when people call him out on it.

[hagare]

Maybe if you get blocked it might be because you attack him in every single one of his threads and cry about it.

But what do I know, I know it's very difficult for you guys to ignore his threads, it's just a must to come cry in every single one of them.

oh no, I posted an opinion on a public forum and people are attacking me with their own opinions! AAAAAAh

Y'all in here tweaking out while I'm recovering from getting into a fight with discount Jesus at an Arby's.

I just wanted some cheese sticks and smoked brisket man.

[kpxmanifesto]

??

There's a difference between criticizing someone's opinion and criticizing someone personally. I feel like many people on these forums don't understand there's a fine line between the two.

[IkaraGreydancer]

And that's totally fine, however no need to attack the OP for that, you make your point, and you move on like a mature person, instead of derailing the thread like some people do. He has the right to his own opinion. Saying that for agreeing I was him on his alt account is even more pathetic, it's implying no one can agree with him except if they are one of his own chars.

Mature? That's...an odd word for you to use considering you've lied on people you don't agree with in the past here. You call people defending aspects of the game various names often. You don't just go after people "attacking" OP so let's get that notion out of here.

You can't speak of derailing when you've not contributed much of anything to the actual topic at hand so far. If people thinking you're an alt is pathetic then you labeling people you don't agree with as white knights is also pathetic. Practice what you preach or keep your mouth closed

[BaconBits]

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[Lazariah]

I just wanted to throw my own representation in this thread, because I feel a really terrible habit that has formed for years now is people saying they represent huge groups of the playerbase when in fact, they don't... etc

Thanks for saying this. I mostly agree with you. I've been here since ARR. I have 4 relics. Why? Most of the time the grind for the relics bores me to tears so I don't do it. To each their own and all but I hates Eureka and Bozja. I feel bad that the people who loves it don't get that this time around but at least give whatever they're trying now a chance. The first step is a nothing step. Always has been. Back in ARR we just talked to Gerold and he flat out gave us the starting weapon. That's always been the first step. So to people upset about buying it, please, have some perspective. Remember how all the others started. It's always been like this. If you'd like that to change, okay that's fine, but don't pretend like this is unusual.

As for the Hildebrand requirement, I get it's not everyone's cup of tea. But guys, it's such a SMALL and easy requirement. You can skip the cutscenes. You don't have to pay attention. It's just another grind. I'm sorry you don't like Hildebrand but as far as requirements go this is really small.

I am loving the new Variant/Criterion dungeons. But I am in agreement that the rewards feel a bit lacking. I like the rewards currently there but it feels very low considering the replicability. Still it is content I enjoy and hope they add on to.

"Content disparity" has always existed in this game. Always. As others have said, YoshP likes giving us breaks. He doesn't expect us to no life this game. If you're unhappy, unsub. You wont hurt his feelings, I promise. Nor are you going to change his mind about the amount of content they drop.

I like light and breeze and dark. I think there's nothing wrong with the tones at all. Just my opinion of course but I like a mix. We've had plenty of heavy hitting stuff and this patch is mostly light. I think that's fine.