The Lessons Not Learned.

[RitsukoSonoda]

TBH the first stage relics were always super trivial and the "grind" part of them was the process of upgrading them later.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

TBH the first stage relics were always super trivial and the "grind" part of them was the process of upgrading them later.

I dont recall a single 1st step of the Relic Grind in this game being hard at all.
ARR and HW its probly had the longest 1st steps, but they wernt hard, and I dont consider them any better then past relics. And frankly, I like and can appreciate them not doing the Exact same thing each time, and making the gate of entry long and tedious.
Again, they're not even hard.

[grinkdaboy]

after doing 2 arr relics and several sb relics i never want to hear the phrase "light farm" otherwise i may just vomit blood

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

after doing 2 arr relics and several sb relics i never want to hear the phrase "light farm" otherwise i may just vomit blood

Im not against the idea of running Shb and EW content for "Light" or whatever the they call it this time.
But, Id like it to be a final step, or next to final. With the very last step being easy like the 1st step.
But thats me

[Greyhawk]

And no one was surprised, this game just repeats the same mistakes over and over again lol, housing is also a good example of that.

It's because the NA community has absolutely no say in content. This is a 100% JP community-driven game. Developers go there for any ideas, content, criticisms and other things that the NA Community would call a waste of time, a joke, etc. Culture completely drives the game content here, and if JP has a say, that's who they follow first and foremost. I am frankly surprised they have even taken any housing furnishing ideas from anyone NA.

[Kes13a]

one wonders if the OP has done ANY other relics. The first iteration has always been pretty much show up and get it.

its as you power it up that it becomes more of a chore. but hey, nothing wrong with putting the cart before the horse as usual I suppose....

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

It's because the NA community has absolutely no say in content. This is a 100% JP community-driven game. Developers go there for any ideas, content, criticisms and other things that the NA Community would call a waste of time, a joke, etc. Culture completely drives the game content here, and if JP has a say, that's who they follow first and foremost. I am frankly surprised they have even taken any housing furnishing ideas from anyone NA.

I mean, they have shown thats not the case, but this keeps getting parroted so I guess people still believe it.

[Atelier-Bagur]

The same usual Aveyond haters who just cant handle ignoring his posts, "yeah op is a crybaby" yet they absolutely HAVE to come in his threads and cry about them, that's the irony of things.

your back must be quite strained from having to carry aveyond as hard as you have.

[Atelier-Bagur]

one wonders if the OP has done ANY other relics. The first iteration has always been pretty much show up and get it.

its as you power it up that it becomes more of a chore. but hey, nothing wrong with putting the cart before the horse as usual I suppose....

heck didnt the shadowbringers one practically GIFTED your first one for free?

[IkaraGreydancer]

Hold on couldn't you skip the entire 1st HW step by turning in your finished relic from ARR or am I misremembering? ShB gave you your first free for doing the quest as well.

Also the first step is always easy it seems. I dont mind as I like to get at least the 1st step for every class. Things are this way now because people complained years prior. Personally I think the quests n weapons themselves were done very well and people fears of them being all joke weps was put to rest.

Also to OP n ilk again I ask, how long will you continue to fund a game you don't like? You're paying to upset yourself