The Lessons Not Learned.

[Hanayumi]

Unfortunately too many players likely complained about relic grind, but in turn with easing up the grind theyve made the weapon beyond useless in most current content. Personally rather they bring back the grind if it ment getting back a weapon close to or on par with aug tome/raid weapons throughout the majority of the expansion and not just the final step.

[AmpelioB]

Unfortunately too many players likely complained about relic grind, but in turn with easing up the grind theyve made the weapon beyond useless in most current content. Personally rather they bring back the grind if it ment getting back a weapon close to or on par with aug tome/raid weapons throughout the majority of the expansion and not just the final step.

jokes on you guys because the first step has always been this easy:

1. ARR:

Do the chimera
Do a few dungeons
Slay so mobs
Do a few trials
spend 15 poetics

1. Heavensward

About 12 fates, 6 if you are very lucky.
OR turn your Zodiac weapon if you are some kind of maniac

1. Stormblood

They actually gave the first step in the job quest, so it's basically free, just level your job

1. Shadowbringer

a bunch of quests introducing Bozja + 1000 poetics (which is kinda like ARR if you think about it but it's not locking you in specific content).
you don't even have to enter bozja to get it anyway.


so yea guys, first step of relic always been easy.

[Nezerius]

jokes on you guys because the first step has always been this easy:

1. ARR:

Do the chimera
Do a few dungeons
Slay so mobs
Do a few trials
spend 15 poetics

1. Heavensward

About 12 fates, 6 if you are very lucky.
OR turn your Zodiac weapon if you are some kind of maniac

1. Stormblood

They actually gave the first step in the job quest, so it's basically free, just level your job

1. Shadowbringer

a bunch of quests introducing Bozja + 1000 poetics (which is kinda like ARR if you think about it but it's not locking you in specific content).
you don't even have to enter bozja to get it anyway.


so yea guys, first step of relic always been easy.

Tell me you haven't played during ARR or HW without telling me you haven't played during ARR or HW.

ARR: Keep in mind that this is entirely based on pre-2.1 experiences, it obviously got easier with the later patches.

• Chimera: Players felt the need to cheese the fight by pulling him out of the cave, because fighting him on a sloped area was rumoured to stop Dragon's Voice from hitting players.
• Amdapor Keep: Some parties actually had issues with the dps check on Demon Wall.
• Hydra: Tanks could die to Triumvirate, because it initially had to be shared between tanks. Fear Itself could become an issue if players decided to drop fire/ice puddles in the center. Adds could sometimes be an issue if they lived long enough to buff the boss.
• Ifrit HM: Groups at the time often wanted a caster LB2 or 3 for the nails.
• Garuda HM: You couldn't actually dps through the Suparna/Chirada buffs, and they had to be tanked away from Garuda.
• Titan HM: The fact that groups could make a decent amount of gil for boosting people through this fight should tell you enough about how tough this fight was for the average player at the time. And that's without mentioning the netcode issues.

HW: 12 fates? 6 if you are lucky? You needed 3 of each crystal back then. That's 18 in total. With a 10-20% drop rate.

SB: I'll give you this one. I forgot about the Antiquated version technically being considered the first step.

ShB: You obviously didn't need to enter Bozja to obtain the first Resistance weapon. The zone wasn't added until the 2nd step. The very first one was also free after doing the easy solo duty.

This makes it pretty clear that the initial two were nowhere near being "just as easy" as the more recent relic weapons.

[Rezef]

Hasn't the relic always been inferior to tome weapon and raid weapon until the final form which is on par with raid? Am I missing something here?