The Lessons Not Learned.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

I'm still trying to get over how there's 61 pages to this thread and the original topic got ran over ten miles ago. Impressive everyone.

61 pages? You didn't set max posts to 50? I only see 16 lol.

[LianaThorne]

61 pages? You didn't set max posts to 50? I only see 16 lol.

I prefer larger amounts of chaos in my life.
Also it's just funny to see.

[kpxmanifesto]

I'm still trying to get over how there's 61 pages to this thread and the original topic got ran over ten miles ago. Impressive everyone.

Yep, 74 upvotes for aveyond's initial post. The absolute irony of players trying to silence criticism which actually resulted in more publicity for this post really makes me laugh. It just really went sideways for them.

[Deveryn]

Yep, 74 upvotes for aveyond's initial post. The absolute irony of players trying to silence criticism which actually resulted in more publicity for this post really makes me laugh. It just really went sideways for them.

Zepla gets credit for that. Meanwhile a legit post about Endgame gearing is over 300 on its own.

No one's trying to silence his criticism, but he's not the best person to be sharing it. As a player clearly doing next to nothing, he has zero credibility and he's always saying the same thing over and over and touting himself as an authority on quality and a spokesperson for the playerbase. He won't even respond to legit comments and questions. He's nothing more than a troll.

He lucked out that some people actually agree with some of his points.

-looks below- (see... can't help herself)

hey puddin'

[Renalt]

I prefer larger amounts of chaos in my life.
Also it's just funny to see.

That's a mood and I'm all for it. It's like reality TV. Sometimes watching a dumpster fire is fun.

[TheMightyMollusk]

That's a mood and I'm all for it. It's like reality TV. Sometimes watching a dumpster fire is fun.

This is fine.

[Kozh]

Thanks for the chuckle I really needed that, if you think you have any sort of power or that I care about you, you are very wrong, but what I said is pretty much spot on.

He's being delusional, ignoring him is the best way to do. Sometimes people are just to far gone that no amount of help can help them.

[xbahax92]

The OP ain't wrong though. This "new" content is already doomed to die in a few weeks, unless they add more rewards to the shop. Same thing happened to Bozja content, DR runs are pretty much dead, if you're lucky you'll see a half-filled PF group which tries to group up for hours and hours. Just as the Baldesion Arsenal, which is run only by a few dedicated discords. Many players (esp. new players) do not have access to these.

FFXIV devs produce content, great content, but lack a lot of creativity to either "reuse" old content (without being a numb grind, aka SHB relics) or create lasting content. If an earring can rank up it's ilvl with your own level, then I'm sure a grindy relic can do the same across many patches. We don't really need more glamour relics. People that don't raid or do extremes need a proper weapon.

[Atelier-Bagur]

The OP ain't wrong though. This "new" content is already doomed to die in a few weeks, unless they add more rewards to the shop. Same thing happened to Bozja content, DR runs are pretty much dead, if you're lucky you'll see a half-filled PF group which tries to group up for hours and hours. Just as the Baldesion Arsenal, which is run only by a few dedicated discords. Many players (esp. new players) do not have access to these.

FFXIV devs produce content, great content, but lack a lot of creativity to either "reuse" old content (without being a numb grind, aka SHB relics) or create lasting content. If an earring can rank up it's ilvl with your own level, then I'm sure a grindy relic can do the same across many patches. We don't really need more glamour relics. People that don't raid or do extremes need a proper weapon.

You couldnt be anymore wrong with Bozja and DR. Sure you cant rely on DF anymore for DR queuing but there's always and I mean...ALWAYS people needing to run Bozja for prog, character leveling, or farming for glam pieces and with DR being tied to ShB relics and Bozja this is something that you can reliably create a PF for and you'll get people willing to jump in with you. It may take a little while for sure but to call it dead is extremely stupid. I say this because I literally just right now on Coeurl hopped into Bozja wanting to level a job and there's people running around shouting for groups in Zadnor.

When there's unique rewards tied to a piece of content, people will find a way to still do it, and thats's seriously the only problem we have with Variant/Criterion dungeons and I bet the devs are already working on introducing more lasting rewards to have this content be reliable for people to create groups for.

[xbahax92]

You couldnt be anymore wrong with Bozja and DR. Sure you cant rely on DF anymore for DR queuing but there's always and I mean...ALWAYS people needing to run Bozja for prog, character leveling, or farming for glam pieces and with DR being tied to ShB relics and Bozja this is something that you can reliably create a PF for and you'll get people willing to jump in with you. It may take a little while for sure but to call it dead is extremely stupid. I say this because I literally just right now on Coeurl hopped into Bozja wanting to level a job and there's people running around shouting for groups in Zadnor.

When there's unique rewards tied to a piece of content, people will find a way to still do it, and thats's seriously the only problem we have with Variant/Criterion dungeons and I bet the devs are already working on introducing more lasting rewards to have this content be reliable for people to create groups for.

Oh, I was not talking about the Bozja/Zadnor map itself, but rather the dungeons/raids. Is anybody doing Diadem these days even?

Do people enter old Raids/Dungeons (unrelated to roulettes) again, anyway? Yes and no. Unless you work on your next relic, there is no reason to. You simply don't get any meaningful token or reward, because you got them ALL in your previous runs. It is a dead content in a sense, once people got their desired item, they will not run it again. A few humans on this earth actually need to work as well. Sometimes they cannot just login during peak hours and group up for an existing DR/BA group. It's definetly not as easy and fast to find such groups as it was before. And you cannot tell me that waiting for hours is okay? (including a wipe at the final boss)

Let's also not forget that, content activity shifts very fast after the initial release. This is merely my own opinion, but creating lasting content shouldn't be divided throughout many patches. Once the quest is complete, you have to wait for the next relic quest. This can take up to several months.

This also brings up new questions. Why is the relic quest not run next to a savage tier? Why do casual players have to run with a 615/620 ilvl, meanwhile savage players own several i635 weapons? Why not add short- and long-term rewards, which can be completed with more time investments?

And I experienced it many times. It doesnt matter what content, be it relics, criterion dungeons, Diadem, Eureka, Bozja, Rival Wings, once the "hype" thins out, the content takes way longer to complete.