The Lessons Not Learned.

[VelKallor]

all jokes aside. are you okay. you seem very annoyed

Im fine, just impatient with people who have this absurd idea that "everyone should do what I want because i know best". One of his earlier posts was "what we should be playing instead".

You will forgive me if I find that a little..presumptuous....

[aveyond-dreams]

I actually read your "rewrite" of EW. If that is what you would consider good story then I am sorry to say but no, thanks.

Thank you for your opinion. Under normal circumstances I would’ve liked to dive deeper and ask what specifically didn’t work for you and how I could improve on it, but given how many FFXIV players gleefully ate up a convoluted time travel story with the anime little girl of ultimate despair, I have good reason to dismiss your counsel outright.

I know what works for me in terms of storytelling, and I was considerably gracious in not eliminating the scions outright and even reusing some of the worst characters in the entire Final Fantasy franchise in better ways, such as Meteion and Hermes. In any case now we have people arguing in defense of the most ridiculous round of beast tribe quests yet, so I can safely say that those with such childish tastes will certainly never align with my own.

Thank goodness FFXVI, in spite of Yoshi’s involvement, seems to be shaping up to a more mature game. Unlike here, he couldn’t ruin that game like he did FFXIV as his “playground” subjecting all of us to his ever-changing whims. Or perhaps his passion truly lies there and that is why he appears so confounded whenever he has to answer lore questions about FFXIV. If so, perhaps it’s time for him to pass the torch to someone who cares more and continue pursuing whatever it is he’s most passionate about.

[Aword3213]

I know what works for me in terms of storytelling, and I was considerably gracious in not eliminating the scions outright and even reusing some of the worst characters in the entire Final Fantasy franchise in better ways, such as Meteion and Hermes. In any case now we have people arguing in defense of the most ridiculous round of beast tribe quests yet, so I can safely say that those with such childish tastes will certainly never align with my own.

What works for you may not work for others, especially if you aim for a player base so large as FF14 currently has. You have to take millions of players into consideration. You WILL have to listen to every single opinions and feedback, and you WILL implement them all accordingly. Otherwise, players will complain that you show how little you care about your player base and the doesn't meet their STANDARD of a decent MMO.

And I assure you that Aveyond Junior will be there at your forum, posting endless threads of complaints, every, single, day.

But you will give whatever players are asking for, riiiiight? "People complain because they care." as you used to say. I'm sure amenable person like you would make a fine story writer, and a good developer in gaming industry

[VelKallor]

Thank you for your opinion. Under normal circumstances I would’ve liked to dive deeper and ask what specifically didn’t work for you and how I could improve on it, but given how many FFXIV players gleefully ate up a convoluted time travel story with the anime little girl of ultimate despair, I have good reason to dismiss your counsel outright.

..along with anyone else who disagrees with you.

I know what works for me in terms of storytelling

..but with a game this big, you need to look beyond you and consider what EVERYONE ELSE wants or will enjoy. Missed that did we?

n any case now we have people arguing in defense of the most ridiculous round of beast tribe quests yet, so I can safely say that those with such childish tastes will certainly never align with my own.

The nerve of people enjoying things you dont like or dont approve of. How COULD they...

Unlike here, he couldn’t ruin that game like he did FFXIV

If so, perhaps it’s time for him to pass the torch to someone who cares more and continue pursuing whatever it is he’s most passionate about.

Yeahhh...no.

[CheshCa7]

Thank you for your opinion. Under normal circumstances I would’ve liked to dive deeper and ask what specifically didn’t work for you and how I could improve on it, but given how many FFXIV players gleefully ate up a convoluted time travel story with the anime little girl of ultimate despair, I have good reason to dismiss your counsel outright.

I know what works for me in terms of storytelling, and I was considerably gracious in not eliminating the scions outright and even reusing some of the worst characters in the entire Final Fantasy franchise in better ways, such as Meteion and Hermes. In any case now we have people arguing in defense of the most ridiculous round of beast tribe quests yet, so I can safely say that those with such childish tastes will certainly never align with my own.

Thank goodness FFXVI, in spite of Yoshi’s involvement, seems to be shaping up to a more mature game. Unlike here, he couldn’t ruin that game like he did FFXIV as his “playground” subjecting all of us to his ever-changing whims. Or perhaps his passion truly lies there and that is why he appears so confounded whenever he has to answer lore questions about FFXIV. If so, perhaps it’s time for him to pass the torch to someone who cares more and continue pursuing whatever it is he’s most passionate about.

"Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up." C.S.Lewis

That was also the problem with your writing. It was teenager edgy stuff. You seem to think that a dark story means a good story but a dark story without a good reason behind it is just bad. And when we get to your cringey portrail of Venat where you bent over backwards to throw aside all her background just to turn her into some Scooby Doo villain. Yeah. Not good.
So you see, maybe the problem isn't that we are childish and wrong. Maybe some of us lived more then you, read more then you, understand more then you. And maybe, while we can agree that FFXIV is not some masterpiece of storytelling your version is actually much much worse. Like I'm sure there are Twilight fanfiction pieces that are miles better. You get it now?

[aveyond-dreams]

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I am not interested in writing for 50+ year olds with the tastes of children. I find those people extremely creepy and off-putting, especially with the fever with which they've defended the catastrophic state of Endwalker's writing. I consider my rewrite superior to the anime fanfic that was the MSQ that released in 6.0, and I say that with 0 reservation.

[vanaii]

I am not interested in writing for 50+ year olds with the tastes of children. I find those people extremely creepy and off-putting, especially with the fever with which they've defended the catastrophic state of Endwalker's writing. I consider my rewrite superior to the anime fanfic that was the MSQ that released in 6.0, and I say that with 0 reservation.

Why not write for children, then? XIV is for 13+, and a huge chunk of the Final Fantasy series itself could be snootily waved away as mere "fairy tales." Heck, Heavensward could be considered the biggest fairytale of them all: Dragon falls in love with a girl? Puh-leeze.

Dunno, I've fallen for the "I want it to be adult" trap myself; I've come to get over myself and simply enjoy things. Life would be boring looking down at my nose at anything that wasn't literary enough. That's what that CS Lewis quote is about, after all.

I am proud to say that not even high-school me would have liked that. Maybe as a literal child, I don't know. But in high-school you already have access to quality writing so you kinda know how it looks like.

Middle/elementary school you probably had the chance to read Bridge to Terabithia. I'm convinced librarians like to sneak that onto shelves as a trap!

[TheMightyMollusk]

Middle/elementary school you probably had the chance to read Bridge to Terabithia. I'm convinced librarians like to sneak that onto shelves as a trap!

My grade school had Fahrenheit 451 on the library shelf. I'm still not convinced the librarian didn't do it as a prank.

[Alleo]

I am not interested in writing for 50+ year olds with the tastes of children. I find those people extremely creepy and off-putting, especially with the fever with which they've defended the catastrophic state of Endwalker's writing. I consider my rewrite superior to the anime fanfic that was the MSQ that released in 6.0, and I say that with 0 reservation.

Have you already published something successfully? A whole new story? Because no matter what, its always way more easy to use a existing story and either write some fanfiction about it or to complain about it than creating a whole new one from scratch. You need to think about characters, about plot points, about pacing and so much more. With Fanfiction you already have most of it. Yet there are many Fanfiction writers out there that write stories that are absolutely awful to read. They think they can write something better with less plotholes while their own version is just full of them themselves.

Because even when I agree that someone can taste a meal and say if its taste good or bad for them, it does not mean that they just can go in the kitchen and create a decent or even better meal from the ground up themselves. (You know without a recipe there to give guidance)

[aveyond-dreams]

Yet there are many Fanfiction writers out there that write stories that are absolutely awful to read. They think they can write something better with less plotholes while their own version is just full of them themselves.

What an apt description for Endwalker's 6.0 MSQ. An expansion that betrayed everything that came before it in order to let a handful of ocs shine. This is not what brought me to FFXIV back in the Heavensward/ARR days. Even if we were to return to that style of writing wherein you'd see that I have very little to critique, you'd still love the game with as much enthusiasm as you do now. So that way, and by consequence my way of going about stories, would cause less problems overall.

However, when it comes to content, the game is failing in spectacular fashion. Variant/Criterion dungeons had every chance to be something worthwhile and not just one and done, but instead they stacked Island Sanctuary full of rewards and left hardly anything for the content that should've been giving more people a reason to log in daily. It's amazing how you can get more from doing nothing but clicking things on the island than you do from battle content we've been starving for.