The Lessons Not Learned.

[Jojoya]

Keep in mind that if it did reward gear, SE would force a weekly lockout on it.

Do you guys really want another weekly chore that the raiding community is going to decide is mandatory for you to do simply because it has a chance to provide gear?

Are you going to be happy when what drops isn't what you need or you keep losing the rolls on coffers so you fall behind in ilvl compared to those who are getting lucky with their drops/rolls and have a harder time getting invites in PF?

Think carefully about what you really want this content to be for you, and think of the probable consequences if it was turned into a gear piñata.

[Imoye]

1500 astronomy is an absolute joke. There's no challenge and no sense of accomplishment at all.

[VelKallor]

1500 astronomy is an absolute joke. There's no challenge and no sense of accomplishment at all.

As has been said: this is stage ONE.

The pain comes iater.

[Alleo]

1500 astronomy is an absolute joke. There's no challenge and no sense of accomplishment at all.

Yeah because doing mindnumbing numbers of Fates in Eureka and Bozja was so much better. The relic weapon was always about grinding stuff and in the last few expansions the first step was always easy. Heck last time you even got your first relic for free. This is just how it works. Instead of needing skill you will put in time. It was never meant to be challenging.

And not everyone here has the 1.500 on hand. I did not. I still need to grind at least 800 stones before I can get my first relic. Why? Because I have every single job at lvl 90 and when I gather enough stones I turn them in for gear for them. So now I do need to do more content to get it.

On top of that you have those who simply want more than one relic. I am quite sure those also still have grind quite a bit before they reach their goal.

[MagiusNecros]

First relic step should of come out with Asphodelos and 2nd step with Abyssos.

[TheMightyMollusk]

Stage one is basically catch-up gear so fresh 90s can get a half-decent weapon (or at least, better than the artifact one) without taking four weeks for Asphodelos tokens or seven for Abyssos. Or for spare weapons for secondary roles.

[Blood_Blossoms]

I really want something to work to something can take my time with something that's not going feel not invalidated once make it. I don't care if only make one and takes ages.
I just really hate the 1-hour content if that if skip everything. and I got the weapon already each patch.
also, why most things linked to TOMB currency make it multiple content currency make us work for it instead of weekly passive farming as we do dailies.

But overall FF14 sadly super casual or super hardcore, they gave up on or just fail at Midcore content and there's a massive gap.
they also don't like cross linking content. they could easily be like farm some variant dungeons get a rare drop from that to make first step + Tombs but nah. ovs not so rare you want rip eyes out but still link content!

[LianaThorne]

Top part goes on the assumption that there IS a problem. Things being brought up doesn't automatically mean there's an issue. That's flawed logic. The only thing it means is that said person has a problem with it. Could they be right? Yes. Could they be wrong? Also yes. For example if someone complained XIV doesn't have enough music would they be correct? I'd say no especially considering the game has the world record for most music in a video game iirc.

I wasn't referring to you saying that. You must not be paying attention to the thread (or have certain folks on ignore lol). Others are doing that. Not you lol

And yeah that makes sense. I wouldn't call it a widespread thing. I wouldn't call it rare either though. Not like that a huge issue really it's just viewpoints ya know?

Second part is accurate. I check things I post on once every day or two or not at all after the first post I make. Also don't have anyone on ignore (though I'm sure I am to some xD), don't feel a need to.

With that brought up, see ya'll in a day or two.

[caffe_macchiato]

It seems that there’s a small amount of people who want FFXIV to have a “grind” because they just want something more to do. The game falls short of repeatable content. And it’s disappointing that SE sells this game in the same category as WoW and GW2 when it’s anything but. As many (likely most) people agree, FFXIV is just a numbered Final Fantasy game, which means it’s largely single-player. There’s no repeatable content for the most part. And a lot of you all love that, that’s fine. That’s why you like Final Fantasy games. After all, 14 is just one less than 15 and one more than 13, so how big of a difference can you be?

But it would benefit everyone, and make a lot more sense, if SE didn’t charge a sub fee. That makes us think this game is like FF11 (the black sheep of the franchise) and WoW, which we all agree it’s not. They need to make the difference clear from a financial standpoint just like they have from a gameplay standpoint.

[Atelier-Bagur]

It seems that there’s a small amount of people who want FFXIV to have a “grind” because they just want something more to do. The game falls short of repeatable content. And it’s disappointing that SE sells this game in the same category as WoW and GW2 when it’s anything but. As many (likely most) people agree, FFXIV is just a numbered Final Fantasy game, which means it’s largely single-player. There’s no repeatable content for the most part. And a lot of you all love that, that’s fine. That’s why you like Final Fantasy games. After all, 14 is just one less than 15 and one more than 13, so how big of a difference can you be?

But it would benefit everyone, and make a lot more sense, if SE didn’t charge a sub fee. That makes us think this game is like FF11 (the black sheep of the franchise) and WoW, which we all agree it’s not. They need to make the difference clear from a financial standpoint just like they have from a gameplay standpoint.

I seriously dont ever want this game to further follow in the unfun grind mentality akin to WoW for character progression. It does just enough for me to not make me further hate myself for playing the game.