The Lessons Not Learned.

[caffe_macchiato]

See...Id MAYBE believe you...if you also weren't paying said sub. Basically meaning that it DOES justify its price. Not my opinion, that's the fact of the matter

I pay a sub to access my friends list, but the content is long gone. The dungeons and raids we’ve gotten don’t make up for the price I’m paying each month. It’s a very threadbare game. Once I convert my friends to another game I’ll cancel my sub too.

Yall think xiv is bad now? You've no idea how bad it'd be if it was f2p

What’s the worst that could happen, getting a cash shop where an outfit costs $22?

Personally I get my 15$ worth out of the game every month (Also dont the subs pay for server upkeep?)

That means paying $15 x 4 = $60 per patch cycle. The amount of content doesn’t justify paying the same price as a AAA title or WoW sub when those offer 10x the content. I just wish SE realized this before it’s too late. I know we just use the forums for venting, but hopefully there’s a tiny, tiny chance they could actually take this into consideration.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Know what...question.
What do you do in FFXIV? Are all you doing is MSQ? Or do you actually engage in its other content?
If you dont enjoy the content that is one thing, but to say there is not enough to justify the price sounds...off. How do I: who has been playing 8-9 years STILL have plenty of stuff to do, but you sound like you dont have anything/enough to do?

[DPZ2]

What’s the worst that could happen, getting a cash shop where an outfit costs $22?

Go ask that question on the Diablo 4 forum. The answer will surprise you.

... doesn’t justify paying the same price as a AAA title or WoW sub when those offer 10x the content.

As a former WoW player, who paid for over 120 months of the game at $15 a month, I have to ask you: where do you get "10x the content"? I definitely remember months with nothing to do but create and level alts.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

But it would benefit everyone, and make a lot more sense, if SE didn’t charge a sub fee. That makes us think this game is like FF11 (the black sheep of the franchise) and WoW, which we all agree it’s not. They need to make the difference clear from a financial standpoint just like they have from a gameplay standpoint.

You are absolutely correct. The disastrous state of current content rollout in no ways justifies the current sub fee. Abolish it.

This makes...no sense.
Just because it charges a Sub Fee, does not mean its like FFXI ( 11 ) or like WoW at all. And not charging a sub fee would benefit everyone on every game ever. Because hey, we all like Free stuff.
Its an MMO: Mass Multiplayer Online, its very clearly in the correct Category, its just that the game is Single Player Friendly, they give you the ability, options to play by yourself. That doesn't change anything.
Saying to Abolish the Subscription, just means you dont want to pay for it. If the game isnt worth your time and money...stop paying for it.

Also, hey, subjective opinion. You and others might say and think there isnt repeatable content, but for me, there is still PLENTY to do, and quite alot of repeatable content. To this day, playing for 8-9 years, I STILL have something to do. And some of that content is stuff I just haven't touched yet.

[caffe_macchiato]

Saying to Abolish the Subscription, just means you dont want to pay for it.

there is still PLENTY to do, and quite alot of repeatable content.

But you already paid for that content. Each expansion costs $40 and has as much content as you'd expect from a $40 game towards the end of its cycle. If you were a long-time subscriber, you paid $40 several times over just from buying those expansions. What's the sub fee for? Servers? That comes with the territory of having an online game. You don't need to pay a subscription for many other online games. Patches? What exactly are we getting from patches that can't come from the purchase price? Each expansion has a low amount of multiplayer content on release, and the devs trickle out the rest over time.

If they want FFXIV to become like all the other numbered Final Fantasies, they need to look at how they work. You do not need to pay a sub fee for FFXV, you pay for the game and its DLC. I assume that FFXVI will be the same way.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

But you already paid for that content. Each expansion costs $40 and has as much content as you'd expect from a $40 game towards the end of its cycle. If you were a long-time subscriber, you paid $40 several times over just from buying those expansions. What's the sub fee for? Servers? That comes with the territory of having an online game. You don't need to pay a subscription for many other online games. Patches? What exactly are we getting from patches that can't come from the purchase price? Each expansion has a low amount of multiplayer content on release, and the devs trickle out the rest over time.

If they want FFXIV to become like all the other numbered Final Fantasies, they need to look at how they work. You do not need to pay a sub fee for FFXV, you pay for the game and its DLC. I assume that FFXVI will be the same way.

So you know how f2p games have loot boxes and worse RNG and pay to make RNG better mechanics?

Imagine a world where you have to pay to see a chance at loot in savage, or it's got gear drop rates like ex mount whistles.

Imagine if, instead of crafted glams, loot boxes.

F2p games are terrible. There's a reason people say they spend more on f2p games than sub games.


Crafting? Need a craft boost or you can't get above 15% hq chance. Melding? Same thing.

People really don't understand what it means to be f2p.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

But you already paid for that content. Each expansion costs $40 and has as much content as you'd expect from a $40 game towards the end of its cycle. If you were a long-time subscriber, you paid $40 several times over just from buying those expansions. What's the sub fee for? Servers? That comes with the territory of having an online game. You don't need to pay a subscription for many other online games. Patches? What exactly are we getting from patches that can't come from the purchase price? Each expansion has a low amount of multiplayer content on release, and the devs trickle out the rest over time.

If they want FFXIV to become like all the other numbered Final Fantasies, they need to look at how they work. You do not need to pay a sub fee for FFXV, you pay for the game and its DLC. I assume that FFXVI will be the same way.

You paid for access to the Expansion. That money covers your access to it, and its current content. Everything in post is extra, otherwise we should be paying alot more. We arnt paying nearly as much as we should be, but thats a different conversation, and frankly, Id rather have this Subscription Model then the Alternative of Paying for Everything...like having to pay for Patches as DLC. No Thanks.
They dont need to look at anything more then they are, FFXIV is not a SIngle Player Game, its an MMO, and it functions as one. It just has More ways to play it then being forced to play it like other games such as WoW.

And....Im sorry but comparing FFXIV to games like FFXV and FFXVI isnt a good argument. Because those are purely Single Player Game Experiences.
FFXIV is not. You have the ability to play it with Bots, but that doesnt make it a Single Player Game.

[TomsYoungerBro]

You paid for access to the Expansion. That money covers your access to it, and its current content. Everything in post is extra, otherwise we should be paying alot more. We arnt paying nearly as much as we should be, but thats a different conversation, and frankly, Id rather have this Subscription Model then the Alternative of Paying for Everything...like having to pay for Patches as DLC. No Thanks.

Let's not get crazy here XD. We pay $60 per expansion, + a subscription per month, + we have a mogstation. We are paying plenty.

[caffe_macchiato]

We arnt paying nearly as much as we should be

Endwalker had maybe five hours of actual gameplay, the rest being text boxes, cutscenes, and walking to the next NPC. We are vastly overpaying if our $53 (expansion plus one month subscription) is to be judged on release-date content alone when a 100-hour all-inclusive JRPG costs the same.

[aveyond-dreams]

Endwalker had maybe five hours of actual gameplay, the rest being text boxes, cutscenes, and walking to the next NPC. We are vastly overpaying if our $53 (expansion plus one month subscription) is to be judged on release-date content alone when a 100-hour all-inclusive JRPG costs the same.

Could not have said it better myself. There is no reason to tack on a monthly sub fee on top of this.