The Lessons Not Learned.

[MagiusNecros]

First relic step should of come out with Asphodelos and 2nd step with Abyssos.

[TheMightyMollusk]

Stage one is basically catch-up gear so fresh 90s can get a half-decent weapon (or at least, better than the artifact one) without taking four weeks for Asphodelos tokens or seven for Abyssos. Or for spare weapons for secondary roles.

[Blood_Blossoms]

I really want something to work to something can take my time with something that's not going feel not invalidated once make it. I don't care if only make one and takes ages.
I just really hate the 1-hour content if that if skip everything. and I got the weapon already each patch.
also, why most things linked to TOMB currency make it multiple content currency make us work for it instead of weekly passive farming as we do dailies.

But overall FF14 sadly super casual or super hardcore, they gave up on or just fail at Midcore content and there's a massive gap.
they also don't like cross linking content. they could easily be like farm some variant dungeons get a rare drop from that to make first step + Tombs but nah. ovs not so rare you want rip eyes out but still link content!

[caffe_macchiato]

It seems that there’s a small amount of people who want FFXIV to have a “grind” because they just want something more to do. The game falls short of repeatable content. And it’s disappointing that SE sells this game in the same category as WoW and GW2 when it’s anything but. As many (likely most) people agree, FFXIV is just a numbered Final Fantasy game, which means it’s largely single-player. There’s no repeatable content for the most part. And a lot of you all love that, that’s fine. That’s why you like Final Fantasy games. After all, 14 is just one less than 15 and one more than 13, so how big of a difference can you be?

But it would benefit everyone, and make a lot more sense, if SE didn’t charge a sub fee. That makes us think this game is like FF11 (the black sheep of the franchise) and WoW, which we all agree it’s not. They need to make the difference clear from a financial standpoint just like they have from a gameplay standpoint.

[Atelier-Bagur]

It seems that there’s a small amount of people who want FFXIV to have a “grind” because they just want something more to do. The game falls short of repeatable content. And it’s disappointing that SE sells this game in the same category as WoW and GW2 when it’s anything but. As many (likely most) people agree, FFXIV is just a numbered Final Fantasy game, which means it’s largely single-player. There’s no repeatable content for the most part. And a lot of you all love that, that’s fine. That’s why you like Final Fantasy games. After all, 14 is just one less than 15 and one more than 13, so how big of a difference can you be?

But it would benefit everyone, and make a lot more sense, if SE didn’t charge a sub fee. That makes us think this game is like FF11 (the black sheep of the franchise) and WoW, which we all agree it’s not. They need to make the difference clear from a financial standpoint just like they have from a gameplay standpoint.

I seriously dont ever want this game to further follow in the unfun grind mentality akin to WoW for character progression. It does just enough for me to not make me further hate myself for playing the game.

[caffe_macchiato]

I seriously dont ever want this game to further follow in the unfun grind mentality akin to WoW for character progression. It does just enough for me to not make me further hate myself for playing the game.

And that's fine! FFXIV is at a crossroads right now. It seems like the devs want to cool things down and give FFXIV a place on the shelf along with other numbered single-player Final Fantasies. The heydays of this game being an active, vigorous and grind-filled MMO are over. Square Enix is moving on, and many people here will need to as well. All games have their expiration date. You can't expect Square Enix to continue propping us up forever as though this is Blizzard and WoW (a company that has 10x the assets and operating income). Soon most of us will move on from this game, likely within the next one to two years.

[kpxmanifesto]

Soon most of us will move on from this game, likely within the next one to two years.

Until the next expansion at least. I think 7.0 and the graphics update will bring a lot of inactive players out of retirement.

[aveyond-dreams]

It seems that there’s a small amount of people who want FFXIV to have a “grind” because they just want something more to do. The game falls short of repeatable content. And it’s disappointing that SE sells this game in the same category as WoW and GW2 when it’s anything but. As many (likely most) people agree, FFXIV is just a numbered Final Fantasy game, which means it’s largely single-player. There’s no repeatable content for the most part. And a lot of you all love that, that’s fine. That’s why you like Final Fantasy games. After all, 14 is just one less than 15 and one more than 13, so how big of a difference can you be?

But it would benefit everyone, and make a lot more sense, if SE didn’t charge a sub fee. That makes us think this game is like FF11 (the black sheep of the franchise) and WoW, which we all agree it’s not. They need to make the difference clear from a financial standpoint just like they have from a gameplay standpoint.

You are absolutely correct. The disastrous state of current content rollout in no ways justifies the current sub fee. Abolish it.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

You are absolutely correct. The disastrous state of current content rollout in no ways justifies the current sub fee. Abolish it.

They have a handy button on the Mogstation for abolishing the sub fee.

[IkaraGreydancer]

You are absolutely correct. The disastrous state of current content rollout in no ways justifies the current sub fee. Abolish it.

See...Id MAYBE believe you...if you also weren't paying said sub. Basically meaning that it DOES justify its price. Not my opinion, that's the fact of the matter

But yeah you know what? Lets make xiv free to play. That'd at least quiet the folks mad about mogstation. And we'll REALLY go down hill. Yall think xiv is bad now? You've no idea how bad it'd be if it was f2p

Personally I get my 15$ worth out of the game every month (Also dont the subs pay for server upkeep?)