The Lessons Not Learned.

[Sufjann]

Don't you people get bored of having the same discussion every time content is released? Sometimes the content is not for you and that's ok, just unsub for a while and play other games.

[IkaraGreydancer]

Don't you people get bored of having the same discussion every time content is released? Sometimes the content is not for you and that's ok, just unsub for a while and play other games.

Honestly you aren't wrong. This place is a lost cause trapped in a never ending cycle of mess. (Wouldn't be shocked if the devs think so as well).

[Kaurhz]

Don't you people get bored of having the same discussion every time content is released? Sometimes the content is not for you and that's ok, just unsub for a while and play other games.

Don't be so logical about it. Gosh...

[hagare]

Don't you people get bored of having the same discussion every time content is released? Sometimes the content is not for you and that's ok, just unsub for a while and play other games.

oh come on. I just bought 3 games on sale and I was still playing 14 last night >_>

[EryxGG]

If you guys spent half as much energy actually debating your points instead of getting into pissing contests with people who disagree, we'd get much further here. The last few pages of this thread has gotten pretty cringe, ngl.

SE is always pretty averse to listening to feedback if it comes from a place of overt negativity, YoshiP has said as much. Let's be honest with ourselves here: Despite the game's issues, this dev team actually seems to care more about what we think than most other mmos out there right now. Take a look at WoW and it's history, since that's XIV's primary competitor. If you've played that game for any length of time, you know how it is over there. They'll release a new expansion, but during the beta test, a huge swath of the player base will notice many glaring issues that are going to cause problems long-term. The player-base tells Blizzard about these problems, repeatedly, pleadingly. Their response, 9 times out of 10, is to leave things the way they are because the developers are ridiculously stubborn over there and think they know better about what their player-base wants, than the player-base itself. Then 2 years later, they do a developer live-stream talking about the next expansion and how they're finally addressing all the problems we've been screaming about, 2 years late. This cycle has repeated itself in pretty much every single WoW expansion I've taken part in. SE at least seem to hear our feedback and endeavor to do something about it much quicker than their competition. They seem more engaged in the back & forth discussion between dev team and player-base.

I'm just trying to find a silver lining here, as I'm definitely not a shill. XIV has some serious issues right now, most of which, in my view, stem from this game's content release "framework" or "formula". It has grown entirely stale. They are so fundamentally RIGID on this content formula they've been using since pretty much ARR. The Variant/Criterion Dungeon is the first step in expanding this game's horizons a bit, but it needs to be adjusted and it needs to be tied into the main gear progression pathway as far as I'm concerned. The savage content especially should be. The good news is that the dungeons award tokens, meaning that we can save them now in preparation for further rewards to be added to the vendor. Which needs to happen. TLDR: I really just think CBU3/SE need to start thinking outside the box MORE in terms of the content "formula" this game has relied upon for a decade now.

[Atelier-Bagur]

I'm just trying to find a silver lining here, as I'm definitely not a shill. XIV has some serious issues right now, most of which, in my view, stem from this game's content release "framework" or "formula". It has grown entirely stale. They are so fundamentally RIGID on this content formula they've been using since pretty much ARR. The Variant/Criterion Dungeon is the first step in expanding this game's horizons a bit, but it needs to be adjusted and it needs to be tied into the main gear progression pathway as far as I'm concerned. The savage content especially should be. The good news is that the dungeons award tokens, meaning that we can save them now in preparation for further rewards to be added to the vendor. Which needs to happen. TLDR: I really just think CBU3/SE need to start thinking outside the box MORE in terms of the content "formula" this game has relied upon for a decade now.

While I do agree on them trying to think outside the box (and lets be honest this 6.2 has been giving us different ideas for content with IS and now Variant dungeons), but I dont necessarily believe that should come at the expense at a content formula thats been tested again and again to work with both the majority of the community and the health of the game itself. Basically why fix something that isnt broken. There's too many games out there that WISH they had the level of consistency of content release as FFXIV. The best I want for the team is to further polish what they've already established. Variant/Criterion dungeons are very fun and its definitely an idea that breaks the mold of the standard "dungeon" design we've come to expect with the game. I just want to see this get expanded and definitely make it an avenue to be an alternate way of gearing up alt jobs with perhaps being a way to acquire twines/roborants or give out one of those special items for augmenting crafted gear? There's a number of ways they could go for dishing out rewards upon completion.

[kpxmanifesto]

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[Lunalepsy]

Patch day has arrived. It was an update that I didn’t expect to be quite content heavy, but even so the situation regarding what just released today has to be addressed. The game right now is light on content and for all the hype about Criterion/Variant Dungeons, they released with ill-fitting, extremely limited rewards that will soon leave players without a reason to return to the content for who knows how long. Not like we haven’t run into situations before just last expansion when a lack of rewards for content like CLL made it irrelevant within a span of 2 weeks. A pink mouse, a generic throne, and yet another modern glamset. I truly wonder what about the feedback of people being fed up with these clothes and wanting more fantasy all-class gear is too hard to address. If it even makes it through to the proper channels, but rather than face criticism it seems they’d rather pander to the less-mature subset of players that congregate on Twitter – from whom they can expect nothing but unconditional positivity.

For a blessing, the Manderville Weapons aren’t the dreaded joke weapons from the Weapon Design Contest but all it takes to get one is 1500 poetics? Seriously? Did they forget how much of a mistake it was when they did poetics for Shadowbringers relics as well? Forget “accessibility” – anyone who wants an easy weapon to get can buy one off the marketboard. They could’ve at least spiced things up by...oh wait, the Relic Zones were scrapped entirely this expansion instead of releasing in the .25 patch like back in Stormblood. Any fates with interesting mechanics won’t be seen until 7.X, if even that, with the only other options being overworld fates with basic aoes or Alliance Raids that haven’t aged well in terms of balancing. I cannot imagine what appeal these weapons would have for us veteran players who likely already own a good number of relics, let alone those of us unwilling to suffer through the torment of the Hildibrand quests – with even more of that sort of writing apparently being present in the Omicron beast tribe storyline. Seems like even the Pixies had a darker plot to their quests, and they involved a literal candyland.

We’ve been here before – it seriously feels like the Covid content drought all over again but instead of finishing off with something like Bozja all we got was one of many entirely forgettable modern glamsets and another relic step that made the same mistakes as 5.25’s. Anyone could see the mistakes that were made in the past when it came to all this stuff and instead of improving, they just doubled down and repeated them all over again. How on earth is this ok?

You're wasting your time. They don't care!

[Velvet_Lunarfang]

I will say this. The patches have been lackluster a lot. Housing is joke. 4 months to fully gear out a class. They want to keep this game going for 10 more years? If this is all they have to offer it won't last another 2 years at the rate the content has been going. They really need to start spicing up this game seriously. I have been thinking of going over to GW2 since combat is way better then FFXIV's. If a MMO comes out soon and ends up being really good I will say FFXIV will be very small population

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

I will say this. The patches have been lackluster a lot. Housing is joke. 4 months to fully gear out a class. They want to keep this game going for 10 more years? If this is all they have to offer it won't last another 2 years at the rate the content has been going. They really need to start spicing up this game seriously. I have been thinking of going over to GW2 since combat is way better then FFXIV's. If a MMO comes out soon and ends up being really good I will say FFXIV will be very small population

It doesn't take 4 months to gear a class tho. And its been this way for the last 8 years, why would it suddenly be terrible and take a nose dive?

Personally, I found GW2 combat boring, since at the time I played, it was just a big zerg since there were no dedicated healers or tanks.

I've tried going to other MMOs after XIV came out, and they all paled in comparison. Controls were clunky, UI wasn't as good, etc.

People have been bringing up Ashes a lot recently, but I'm beginning to wonder if that will ever release. I went to an alpha event at PAX like 5 years ago...