The Lessons Not Learned.

[Elis_Asteria]

Did you forget all the other content we got in 6.2 too? Savage tier has kept me busy up all these past weeks and I'm still having fun with it

I wasn't expecting the new dungeon to be that good, and I have lots of stuff left to do + leftovers from other patches.
I don't know where you get all that time to spend on the game but I struggle to catch up, especially because I play other games too.

Just unsub for a while I guess?? I don't do it in between patches because I don't want to lose my house but if you don't like the game as it is now, no one forces you to keep playing.

[Midareyukki]

Did you forget all the other content we got in 6.2 too? Savage tier has kept me busy up all these past weeks and I'm still having fun with it

I wasn't expecting the new dungeon to be that good, and I have lots of stuff left to do + leftovers from other patches.
I don't know where you get all that time to spend on the game but I struggle to catch up, especially because I play other games too.

Just unsub for a while I guess?? I don't do it in between patches because I don't want to lose my house but if you don't like the game as it is now, no one forces you to keep playing.

To be fair, raiding is usually somewhat of a niche. A really big niche, mind you, and certainly one that attracts a sizeable portion of the playerbase, but it isn't something that maaany people will be focused on.
6.2 also gave us:
- MSQ, obviously
- Island Sanctuary, especially if you didn't rush it
- Criterion Dungeons
- Hildibrand Quests
- Tataru's Grand Endeavor
- Beast Tribe
- "Apocryphal" stuff, like additions that aren't full-on content (Housing items and crafting stuff, new treasure maps rewards...) and tweaks to past content (like adjusting Return to Ivalice for NG+ and the new version of Character Portraits).

[MangoSimulation]

I believe they mentioned making relics a little easier since they noticed that it was common for people to make multiple relics and new jobs continue to be added. Also, Hildibrand is already a large barrier to entry and it's only the first stage.

[Lazariah]

I believe they mentioned making relics a little easier since they noticed that it was common for people to make multiple relics and new jobs continue to be added. Also, Hildibrand is already a large barrier to entry and it's only the first stage.

Hildebrand is not a large barrier to entry at all. It will take you 2-3 hours max if you watch cutscenes, which BTW you can skip. That's easy peasy.

[Curisu]

This small 0.05 patch is nice.
This new dungeon gave my GF and me something to do for yesterday and today we will finish it.
We then will try the harder version, maybe with some FC mate's.
So hopefully we clear the hard mode and then can find a group for the savage.

And then there are things I still want to do because I was unable to.
PvP, doing EW normal quests, older beast tribes, more Eureka/BA runs and some friends need help with DRS.

[EryxGG]

I'm really not miffed at all about the relic quest. I think hilibrand is pretty unique, you either like the humor or you don't. I personally did, so doing the quest chain never bothered me at all. If you've never done it, and you don't care, you can blast through it in under an hour probably if you're skipping cutscenes. As far as the relic weapon only needing tomestones... it's the base weapon. It's supposed to be dumb easy to acquire, it's not supposed to take any grind or any real investment. It's meant to be something any player can acquire for essentially free. This way everyone is on an equal footing once the next relic steps are added and the genuine "grind" starts. I think that's how it should be.

As far as the new dungeon system, so far it seems interesting... but my problem arises from the lack of rewards. The glam is cool, but it's a very "niche" glam that not everyone is going to be into or ever use. For content like this, I really think more rewards need to be added as soon as possible, additional glamour sets of different style. Or, they find a way to tie this dungeon system into the main gear progression pathway. Whether that's with another green gear-set that's like ilvl 615(just below tomestone/envoy gear) for the normal version, and for the savage version, it could be a source of Moonshine Twine/Shine/Brine for the Augmented 630 gear.

What I'm hoping is that this new dungeon system is going to get a lot of developer focus and attention going forward into the future, at least the 4 man savage content aspect of it. My hope is that eventually it gets tied into main gear progression and that this is the first step to YoshiP/Square branching out from the overly predictable content release framework that this game has had for YEARS now. Like how there's always ONE raid zone per expansion, with 3 tiers each consisting of 4 bosses. How there's usually 3 trials at exp launch, another 2'ish added during an expansion's lifecycle, etc. I think they need to spice things up if they want to start catering to a larger, broader audience in the mmorpg "space". And if that's gonna happen, I think the formula will need to be tweaked sooner or later.

[Carin-Eri]

I'm really not miffed at all about the relic quest. I think hilibrand is pretty unique, you either like the humor or you don't.

I don't know, to be honest. I'm on the fence with it.

On one hand I do enjoy the humor. On the other, I find the repetitiveness of it tiresome now. The dialogue generally remains funny - even hilarious at times - but I don't find the whole 'legs sticking out of the ground' scenario even remotely funny anymore. And, whilst the new content does sort of address this (Gerolt's dialogue) I've always found Godbert parading around in his underwear completely cringe.

[Kozh]

And thus gate it behind Bozja, which in turn was gated behind Ivalice.

Like how EW relic is gated behind Hildibrand? Which require two trials and hours of cutscenes? Or how the relic is already gated by countless hours of MSQ itself?
That aside, yes being gated by Hildibrand is probably still easier and shorter compared to being gated behind both ivalice and bozja. But who says the dev can’t cheat a bit? They can make it so that canon-wise, the player’s WoL has experienced Bozja so we don’t have to finish it to start EW relics.

Not to mention virtually no one does it now, finding people for DR is a headache. I liked what i saw of it, but tbh it wasnt future proofed, same with Eureka.

It might have less activity than Eureka, but I still find a group or two during prime time for Bozja and Zadnor. DR is a bit more difficult, but I can see some people making PF for it. They’re already generous enough with the buffed Echo.

Who here is shilling though...were pointing out facts. You aren't required to do Fates. That's ONE way to get them. You can turn in your ARR relic to skip that step entirely. Am I a shill for saying I like this first step due to being someone who always gets all 1st step weps for all classes? Or am I just someone who sees things differently? People like you don't get that people can GENUINELY just like something that others don't. Doesn't make them a shill or white knight. You use that terminology to devalue their opinion which only makes you look bitter and upset.

Why do you feel called out Ikara? I wasn’t even talking to you
And I can the same to you. Just because you don’t agree with people like OP doesn’t mean he’s a hater or fool. You use that terminology to devalue their opinion which only makes you look bitter and upset.
Don’t project yourself on others.

It's also funny you opt for them to copy SB relics...when I've seen your camp complain about the devs being lazy. I bet if they did copy you'd just be upset at the lack or new relic ideas.

??? Now you just assume things. I like Eureka, I like Bozja. I know some people from “my camp” (as you weirdly put) who also like zone-based relic system. Why should we hate it?

A person engaged in covert advertising. The shill attempts to spread buzz by personally endorsing the product in public forums with the pretense of sincerity, when in fact he is being paid for his services… snip

Actually, yeah you’re right. My bad. I think the more fitting words are white knights, or cultist. I dunno, you pick one you like more.

[Sacae]

Like how EW relic is gated behind Hildibrand? Which require two trials and hours of cutscenes? Or how the relic is already gated by countless hours of MSQ itself?

Hildebrand has four trials.

[hagare]

Hildebrand has four trials.

don't hurt him even more. THat's two extra trials