The Lessons Not Learned.

[Atelier-Bagur]

are we really going back on the whole alt account theory thing ? do you really understand how pathetic that is ? lmao

not everyone agrees with your opinion, or with his opinion, oh no the drama

There you go, posted on my main, you can be quiet about it now and stop crying that I agree with some of his opinions

Honestly I was just curious to see how you react lol.
About as expected.

But you do really seem to always defend or white knight him a lot. It's one thing to discuss on agreeable ideas, it's another to constantly name drop him specifically when you make your responses.

[BaconBits]

Y'all in here tweaking out while I'm recovering from getting into a fight with discount Jesus at an Arby's.

I just wanted some cheese sticks and smoked brisket man.

[Stormpeaks]

Honestly I was just curious to see how you react lol.
About as expected.

But you do really seem to always defend or white knight him a lot. It's one thing to discuss on agreeable ideas, it's another to constantly name drop him specifically when you make your responses.

The only reason I defend him is because I think he has the right to his opinion, wrong or not does not matter, he has the right to his opinion, and he doesnt deserve to be attacked in every single thread he makes by the same clique of people because they disagree with him, saying that he uses multi accounts to agree with himself, just because they cant accept that some will agree with his opinions, saying that he doesnt deserve to have an opinion, that kind of comment is not acceptable, everyone has the right to an opinion, including him.

At this point, we are way past harassement and it's very much time to stop.

[Atelier-Bagur]

The only reason I defend him is because I think he has the right to his opinion, wrong or not does not matter, he has the right to his opinion, and he doesnt deserve to be attacked in every single thread he makes by the same clique of people because they disagree with him, saying that he uses multi accounts to agree with himself, just because they cant accept that some will agree with his opinions, saying that he doesnt deserve to have an opinion, that kind of comment is not acceptable, everyone has the right to an opinion, including him.

At this point, we are way past harassement and it's very much time to stop.

Who's saying that he doesnt deserve an opinion? Just because a lot of people dont agree with him and find his takes....extremely off point doesnt mean its harassement when people call him out on it.

[SassyAssassin]

Y'all in here tweaking out while I'm recovering from getting into a fight with discount Jesus at an Arby's.

I just wanted some cheese sticks and smoked brisket man.

Ok Im sleepy as hell but wut? XD

[BaconBits]

Ok Im sleepy as hell but wut? XD

Wut is right, I did not expect to get into a fight with great value Jesus at an Arby's.

Thank goodness buddy was small and easily throwable, I'm too out of shape to be fighting anybody.

[LittleArrow]

I just wanted to throw my own representation in this thread, because I feel a really terrible habit that has formed for years now is people saying they represent huge groups of the playerbase when in fact, they don't.

I've been playing this game since beta, and I'm very happy with this patch and the content they've released.

1. Relic: I'm very happy with the relic quest. I'm an older gamer and I welcome Yoshida's desire to steer some content my way considering I have many real life obligations. I do not feel bad for more hardcore players, because there is content exclusively for them that is being regularly implemented. I'm happy with the easy first step and I know I'll probably drop off the relic quest once the more grindy steps come into play, and I'm fine with that. My personal confusion with the forums is it seems to be either too grindy (have to do Manderville quests) or not grindy enough (too easy with tomestone purchase).

I'm honestly at a loss at how SE could please both crowds without re-implementing Bozja / Eureka as I see that's what the real complaint here is. My advice to my fellow WoLs would be to be please be patient, they do content in cycles, and more than likely they'll implement a Bozja-like zone in the next exapansion or one after that. We all take turns in XIV, us deep dungeon crowd had to wait too.

2. Criterion / Variant Dungeons: I was extremely impressed and very happy with this content. I love the ease and controlled challenge of the dungeons. I really enjoyed getting to know Nanamo and the history of Ul'dah. I understand the complaints with the rewards, but I think they're fine for this first step into this content. I truly hope that they continue to expand upon this content and perhaps use this content as a means for leveling. Still, I've thoroughly enjoyed it and have been farming it enough solo to get my mount! I hope we get more Criterion dungeons for the other major cities (Gelmora for Gridania would be really fun to explore).

3. Content disparity: This is probably the main point I agree with OP, but definitely not the tone being portrayed. Coming from 1.x, I know what "no content" actually looks like, and this isn't it. It does seem like the team is under strain due to the release of FF16, and I commend Yoshi and his team for managing both projects. Still, I would like to see more development with the content that is being released. The time between patches does seem pretty long even though the .2 / .5 patches in between have been good so far. I completely agree more content is better.

Sidenote: I personally, hated Bozja. It felt very gated, grindy, and extremely unfriendly. Not only that, but all of those resources seem totally wasted considering it's basically dead content, imo. I don't want to play Final Fantasy 12 or Final Fantasy Bozja, I want to play FFXIV. I do understand the complaints for people not having a long term project in game to work on, and it would be nice if there was a way to provide something like that towards those players.

4. Dark Tone vs Light and Breezy: I saw this barely mentioned, but again I know that the devs check these forums and I want this feedback to get to them. This game has portrayed dead children, beaten prostitutes, sexual abuse, and much worse. I honestly hate it. I don't watch Game of Thrones, The Boyz or anything else that is so needlessly violent and horrible. I come to entertainment to get away from the evils of the world. I do not want to see that in my video games. People can throw around the rating all day, this is just my opinion. I have no idea why our society has come to a point of basically worshipping purely evil and absolutely detestable media, but it is what it is. I have this forum, so I'll fight for more restrained content every day. This is meant to be a sanctuary away from the pains of real life, not a pile in the ground for my nose to be rubbed in it.

Overall, I'd give this .5 patch an 8 / 10. I'm excited for more development with criterion dungeons and I truly hope we get the fun weapons at some point with the Hildibrand quests.

[Lazariah]

I just wanted to throw my own representation in this thread, because I feel a really terrible habit that has formed for years now is people saying they represent huge groups of the playerbase when in fact, they don't... etc

Thanks for saying this. I mostly agree with you. I've been here since ARR. I have 4 relics. Why? Most of the time the grind for the relics bores me to tears so I don't do it. To each their own and all but I hates Eureka and Bozja. I feel bad that the people who loves it don't get that this time around but at least give whatever they're trying now a chance. The first step is a nothing step. Always has been. Back in ARR we just talked to Gerold and he flat out gave us the starting weapon. That's always been the first step. So to people upset about buying it, please, have some perspective. Remember how all the others started. It's always been like this. If you'd like that to change, okay that's fine, but don't pretend like this is unusual.

As for the Hildebrand requirement, I get it's not everyone's cup of tea. But guys, it's such a SMALL and easy requirement. You can skip the cutscenes. You don't have to pay attention. It's just another grind. I'm sorry you don't like Hildebrand but as far as requirements go this is really small.

I am loving the new Variant/Criterion dungeons. But I am in agreement that the rewards feel a bit lacking. I like the rewards currently there but it feels very low considering the replicability. Still it is content I enjoy and hope they add on to.

"Content disparity" has always existed in this game. Always. As others have said, YoshP likes giving us breaks. He doesn't expect us to no life this game. If you're unhappy, unsub. You wont hurt his feelings, I promise. Nor are you going to change his mind about the amount of content they drop.

I like light and breeze and dark. I think there's nothing wrong with the tones at all. Just my opinion of course but I like a mix. We've had plenty of heavy hitting stuff and this patch is mostly light. I think that's fine.

[Midareyukki]

Sidenote: I personally, hated Bozja. It felt very gated, grindy, and extremely unfriendly. Not only that, but all of those resources seem totally wasted considering it's basically dead content, imo. I don't want to play Final Fantasy 12 or Final Fantasy Bozja, I want to play FFXIV. I do understand the complaints for people not having a long term project in game to work on, and it would be nice if there was a way to provide something like that towards those players.

4. Dark Tone vs Light and Breezy: I saw this barely mentioned, but again I know that the devs check these forums and I want this feedback to get to them. This game has portrayed dead children, beaten prostitutes, sexual abuse, and much worse. I honestly hate it. I don't watch Game of Thrones, The Boyz or anything else that is so needlessly violent and horrible. Maybe I'm the only one that has struggled in life, but I come to entertainment to get away from the evils of the world. I do not want to see that in my video games. People can throw around the rating all day, this is just my opinion. I have no idea why our society has come to a point of basically worshipping purely evil and absolutely detestable media, but it is what it is. I have this forum, so I'll fight for more restrained content every day. This is meant to be a sanctuary away from the pains of real life, not pile in the ground for my nose to be rubbed in it.

So you hate Bozja because it's grindy and extremely unfriendly... despite being the most friendly version of Eureka possible? When everything you need is told to you? Where you don't need to level up, just rank up? Where Rank really just tells you that you can progress through the story and has zero bearing on whether you live or die to the mobs you face? Where you don't need to be careful because massive dragons are at chokepoints and bar you from passing to major areas? Despite the fact that grinding is what this game relies on the most? And you really do think that it was "wasted resources" when it expanded on a recently-added race? What, only Miqo'te and Au Ra get to have their races' lore explored? Didn't know, sorry.

Your post had such an unfair assessment. "Extremely unfriendly" to whom? To the people who skipped their explanations and clicked "I understand what I must do" without reading and then regretted it? Or the people who did that without actually understanding it? I'm not saying there weren't unfriendly moments, but calling it extremely unfriendly is such a stretch it became spaghetti. Every piece of content can have unfair stuff, POTD has unfair challenges, especially in Deep Dives. Keep in mind, you're free to have your own opinion, but if you're going to try and back it up with "facts", at least be real about them.

You don't want to play FF12, that's fine. The expression "Final Fantasy Bozja" is just you showing your clear bias toward Bozja, which again, is incredibly unfair. Bozja's a part of Final Fantasy XIV as much as Lyhe Ghiah is. It's a part of the Final Fantasy franchise as much as the Tidus laugh and the Nibelheim Incident are. But keep in mind that it was Yasumi Matsuno who influenced the dev team to make FF14 the way they did? That Yoshida says that the initial runs of FF14 at least were inspired on the tone of Game of Thrones? Also what is this ridiculous "maybe I'm the only one who struggled through life" thing, do you honestly think you're that special and that only you matter? Things happen. And unfortunately what it sounds like is that you picked up a game which exhibited that sort of tone and inspiration, at least in its initial portions, and now are complaining that they exist when you could have just admitted to yourself "yeah nah, this is fun but the tone isn't for me" and called it a day. Sorry Arrow, that's YOUR personal problem, not the game's. You should have thought of that when you decided to continue. Great that the story after a while (~Stormblood) stops, but they are still going to fall back on that tone sometimes because it's what's been established.

It's not "a worship of evil". Have you ever asked people WHY they enjoy it to know with that much certainty? It's simply a different tone than the weird bubblegum disney product you apparently are craving for. If this community cared so much about the evil bit and glorified it, we wouldn't feel happy that the evildoers get punished. Nor would we feel unhappy when they don't. You clearly didn't pay attention to Bozja, then. Because one thing nobody liked was that guys like Sicinius get to live after what's revealed about him. Get over yourself if you're going to pass down judgment on it, please? One thing is you disliking content, which IS FINE, everyone here hates one content or other that someone else enjoys. But don't be this unfair to it, and don't act like you didn't have multiple chances to back off from the game when you saw the sort of tone they were establishing as early as ARR.

"I have this forum, so I'll fight for more restrained content every day. This is meant to be a sanctuary away from the pains of real life, not pile in the ground for my nose to be rubbed in it."
You're not our nanny. And no, at no point did they tell you this HAD to be a sanctuary from the pains of real life, otherwise they wouldn't have made ARR with that tone to begin with. Only someone who sees themself on one hell of a moral pedestal would say drivel like that.
Sure, have the restrained content you want, by all means, and keep in mind that the devs have since dialed the explicit suffering way down. That's a good thing. But don't act like media must be the escapist fantasy of sunshine and rainbows YOU want them to be. And don't act like you need to stick and fight against a game that does it. You don't own it.

[LittleArrow]

-snip- You don't own it.

You're completely right. I don't own anything. This is why, in my post, I said "this is just my opinion." I know I'm in the extreme minority, and I was never intending to represent a group of people (those who view very violent / graphic media) with my opinion. I firmly stated everything I said as my opinion as well as that I didn't understand. I don't understand. I don't need to understand. I'm simply providing feedback. I'm ok with you disagreeing with it. You can think my opinion is wrong, just like I think yours is.

I hope this feedback helps the development team in any way possible.