The Lessons Not Learned.

[SannaR]

This may come as a surprise to you, but not everyone was running around with a Zeta relic by the time 3.15 was released.

Anecdotal evidence much? Just because you somehow didn't notice a lot of people not owning a Zeta by the time the HW relics started doesn't mean a lot of people had at least one. I remember people starting it and groaning about Atma farm 2.0 only to stop groaning the instant someone said they could just hand over their Zeta. Cause they could just go and skip the fate grind. I don't think I heard a lot of grumbling about HW til needing the sand.

I'm just glad any "materia" slotting in stopped with the ARR one. And really you got the base weapon for the ARR one fairly easily since the starter you just needed to get it crafted and have the correct tier three materia melded.

[Alleo]

Kind of ironic how this applies to both of you, since it's pretty clear that neither of you remember the first step of the Heavensward relic.
Y'know, the step that required a significant amount of time farming FATEs in every Heavensward zone, for a total of 18 crystals (3 from each zone).

And others could just turn in their old relic and be done. Just like someone that has already farmed the 1.500 stones can turn it in right away, while someone like me who has just bought some gear will need to do quite a bit of content to get back there.

That is also only for one relic. Those of us who play more than one job will also have quite some things to grind.

[Avatre]

And others could just turn in their old relic and be done. Just like someone that has already farmed the 1.500 stones can turn it in right away, while someone like me who has just bought some gear will need to do quite a bit of content to get back there.

That is also only for one relic. Those of us who play more than one job will also have quite some things to grind.

Don't forget those like me who are collectors and will end up with all the relics finished.

[Nezerius]

Please see bolded part from my initial post in this thread.

You sure got on your high horse pretty quickly in the posts after that though, despite forgetting about a relic that isn't even as old as the 2.0 one.

And others could just turn in their old relic and be done. Just like someone that has already farmed the 1.500 stones can turn it in right away, while someone like me who has just bought some gear will need to do quite a bit of content to get back there.

It's amusing that you're comparing the 2.0 Zeta grind to something short like 1500 tomestones.

Don't forget those like me who are collectors and will end up with all the relics finished.

It was incredibly rare to find someone who finished all the Zeta weapons during ARR. But you wouldn't know, considering you haven't even finished a Zeta relic until 2020.

I had 3 of them by then lol. All done before each step was nerfed.

Congrats? I finished the DRG, WHM and PLD ones during ARR. Point remains that the majority of the players going into Heavensward didn't have one, and had to do the first step properly.

[DPZ2]

Kind of ironic how this applies to both of you, since it's pretty clear that neither of you remember the first step of the Heavensward relic.
Y'know, the step that required a significant amount of time farming FATEs in every Heavensward zone, for a total of 18 crystals (3 from each zone).

Yeah, the 2 1/2 hours I spent running FATEs in a single day were totally significant. It was problematic as well, since I ended up with 5 'extra' crystals that I didn't really want for the next job's grind. They're still in a retainer's bags somewhere I think.

[hagare]

Kind of ironic how this applies to both of you, since it's pretty clear that neither of you remember the first step of the Heavensward relic.
Y'know, the step that required a significant amount of time farming FATEs in every Heavensward zone, for a total of 18 crystals (3 from each zone).

wut? *someone who turned in ARR relic*

[Kaurhz]

I'd be curious to see how many more people would be complaining if they actually went the similar route to ARR-SB for their relics, seeing as we have 19 classes now, and not only that but seeing how many people historically hated these stages of the relic pre-nerf.

[ty_taurus]

Hasn't the first step of the last couple relics been relatively fast and easy, and then future steps start taking more time?

Something else to consider is that they may be balancing the grind around the amount of total jobs which continues to increases. There were 9 jobs at the start of ARR. Now there are 19. Sure it's no time at all to get 1 weapon, but if you want to grind more, then do all of them.

[DiaDeem]

I don't know what to tell you. I've been enjoy myself like I haven't since Endwalker first launched.
Sorry you're not enjoying the content.

[Xeronia]

I would have taken something tied to Variant Dungeons myself given they made me do Hildibrand for the relic and somehow it isn't needed for the place ARR Hilidbrand covers the lore for. I also would have taken incentive to go in older content like going and getting an item from each of the four lords(or weapon series) to help wait times for that. My issue is when I hear ARR/HW like I thought it would be "Okay so go do older content to get the stuff for it and not a unique zone." It can still be that don't get me wrong but the first step being "Welp I had it done before even taking the quest" was a bit of a let down and that is basically the first step of the ShB relic, not the ARR/HW style they said we were getting.