The Lessons Not Learned.

[Deveryn]

I'm sure the fun weapons will be in there somewhere.

[hagare]

Contrary to this, I'm kind of low key disappointed that they weren't the joke weapon winners, because I really want to see those weapons added to the game asap. Some peope might be mad about those weapons, but they are outliers. We get those fun weapons once upon a lifetime.

I didn't especially love the Manderville weapon designs because they look kinda generic, giving a "I've seen something like this before" vibe - I hope it turns out to be (subjectively) better with the next steps.

it'll probably be added to the Gold Saucer

[SassyAssassin]

I'm sure the fun weapons will be in there somewhere.

Well sage got tiny spaceships xD

[VelKallor]

For once I actually thought this was a good patch. I'd say the best since Endwalker launched. I've been asking for more 4-player content since forever, and dungeons that actually feel like dungeons.

I am hearing this sentiment a lot...hope you have a blast with it.

[Kozh]

I don't have any high hopes to begin with, but damn this patch manage to surprise me. I was waiting for relic, for nearly a year, and look at what we get. Another spend X amount of tomestones. ShB had covid as an excuse as to why its first step of relic was such a lackluster. What excuse does EW have?

Some people tried to defend this by saying HW relic isn't that different, but I disagree completely. HW first step require us to farm fates, something that EW relic doesn't even ask of us.

It's tiring how the devs keep getting away with this because the shill knights always work overtime defending the game. For a game that claim to want to go for another 10 year, it certainly feels like it's on managed decline phase.

[IkaraGreydancer]

I don't have any high hopes to begin with, but damn this patch manage to surprise me. I was waiting for relic, for nearly a year, and look at what we get. Another spend X amount of tomestones. ShB had covid as an excuse as to why its first step of relic was such a lackluster. What excuse does EW have?

Some people tried to defend this by saying HW relic isn't that different, but I disagree completely. HW first step require us to farm fates, something that EW relic doesn't even ask of us.

It's tiring how the devs keep getting away with this because the shill knights always work overtime defending the game. For a game that claim to want to go for another 10 year, it certainly feels like it's on managed decline phase.

Who here is shilling though...were pointing out facts. You aren't required to do Fates. That's ONE way to get them. You can turn in your ARR relic to skip that step entirely. Am I a shill for saying I like this first step due to being someone who always gets all 1st step weps for all classes? Or am I just someone who sees things differently? People like you don't get that people can GENUINELY just like something that others don't. Doesn't make them a shill or white knight. You use that terminology to devalue their opinion which only makes you look bitter and upset.

It's also funny you opt for them to copy SB relics...when I've seen your camp complain about the devs being lazy. I bet if they did copy you'd just be upset at the lack or new relic ideas. If the game is on managed decline mode, hey! Save your money now and spend it on things you like n see going the way you want

[Latarma]

I don't have any high hopes to begin with, but damn this patch manage to surprise me. I was waiting for relic, for nearly a year, and look at what we get. Another spend X amount of tomestones. ShB had covid as an excuse as to why its first step of relic was such a lackluster. What excuse does EW have?

Some people tried to defend this by saying HW relic isn't that different, but I disagree completely. HW first step require us to farm fates, something that EW relic doesn't even ask of us.

It's tiring how the devs keep getting away with this because the shill knights always work overtime defending the game. For a game that claim to want to go for another 10 year, it certainly feels like it's on managed decline phase.

i think the making step 1easy now is due to the fact relic comes out 1 year after epac unlike arr were it was available after msq

[Avatre]

But haven't almost all relics started with a stupid easy, done in no time flat, first step? The only one I can think of that took any time was ARR when you had to go out into the world to find the treasure that got turned into the relic. The others were mostly tomestone related, were they not(been a while since I did them, so I could be wrong on some of them)?

[hagare]

But haven't almost all relics started with a stupid easy, done in no time flat, first step? The only one I can think of that took any time was ARR when you had to go out into the world to find the treasure that got turned into the relic. The others were mostly tomestone related, were they not(been a while since I did them, so I could be wrong on some of them)?

GASP! get your facts out of this place!

[Avatre]

GASP! get your facts out of this place!

Someone has to speak the truth when people forget how things were, and likely will be again and again and again.