Variant & Criterion Dungeons

[Deveryn]

Yeah, stuff dies way too quick in there. And I honestly can't tell if the problem is the scaling the Fates have or if it's the Lost Actions. And I'm willing to bet it isn't just a combination of both.

It's the lost actions. I poked my head in yesterday and there were no more than 10 people in the zone. People came and went. Someone entered the party and suddenly bosses were melting. If it's not lost assassination, it's something else. I never got into that, as I was never getting that deep into the jobs that can do that.

All they had to do for these new dungeons was create a unique gearing system for them like Eureka. The most disappointing thing is that you can’t even mess around with different jobs. You’re pigeon holed to the job that you acquired savage gear with.

I had a few friends sign up just to mess around in harder 4man content and it’s not even doable without weeks of raid and/or tomestone gear. Why is that a requirement for a dungeon with no reward? A unique gear system inside the dungeon would solve this and let people explore different jobs as well.

We don't need more gear and I'm sure the team was happy not to have to make more niche gear. We already have our standard sets. This is basically side content, so the rewards aren't going to offer an alternate path to something like savage tier gear.

Entry for criterion is 610. That's crafted gear. All you need is experience with mechanics and processing them.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Yeah, stuff dies way too quick in there. And I honestly can't tell if the problem is the scaling the Fates have or if it's the Lost Actions. And I'm willing to bet it isn't just a combination of both.

That, and some FATEs has poorly scaled, squishy health pools for some reason.

FATEs scaling depends on number of players in vicinity when it was cleared last time. If the FATE was cleared with very few people, the next time it spawns everything will have far less health pool. This value obviously fluctuates rather frequently depending on how players interacts in each zones. But a player with decent valor rays & proper LA+Essence? They can decimate FATEs real fast regardless. Been there before myself, annihilating FATEs with stupidly powered Profane WHM paired with Seraph & Font. Or as a Caster with their Flare Stars. or Profane AST paired with Font+Banish/Burst+Carding self.

[Libby9]

All they had to do for these new dungeons was create a unique gearing system for them like Eureka. The most disappointing thing is that you can’t even mess around with different jobs. You’re pigeon holed to the job that you acquired savage gear with.

I had a few friends sign up just to mess around in harder 4man content and it’s not even doable without weeks of raid and/or tomestone gear. Why is that a requirement for a dungeon with no reward? A unique gear system inside the dungeon would solve this and let people explore different jobs as well.

[RyuDragnier]

I had a few friends sign up just to mess around in harder 4man content and it’s not even doable without weeks of raid and/or tomestone gear. Why is that a requirement for a dungeon with no reward? A unique gear system inside the dungeon would solve this and let people explore different jobs as well.

Because it's EX/Savage difficulty, that's why raid gear is important. They outright mentioned before it even came out that it was going to be that difficult.

[Ransu]

All they had to do for these new dungeons was create a unique gearing system for them like Eureka. The most disappointing thing is that you can’t even mess around with different jobs. You’re pigeon holed to the job that you acquired savage gear with.

I had a few friends sign up just to mess around in harder 4man content and it’s not even doable without weeks of raid and/or tomestone gear. Why is that a requirement for a dungeon with no reward? A unique gear system inside the dungeon would solve this and let people explore different jobs as well.

You can clear it with the crafted 610 gear...

[Libby9]

You can’t clear savage dungeon in all 610, which should’ve said instead of “harder.” I thought it was obvious but my b

[CaedemSanguis]

You can clear it with the crafted 610 gear...

I ... dont think so xD

The ex version is maybe doable with a full i610 group, but savage is definetely not doable with a full i610 group

[AmamiyaSakura]

I enjoyed variant for the lore, loved the music and the boss design, and love that it's accessible to any party composition, including solo.

The housing items are cute, glam is nice and minions are also very cute.

A lot of comments in this thread are ignoring the fact that Yoshida was very clear from the moment this content was mentioned that it is not a deep dungeon. Yet, for reasons I cannot fathom, that's what everyone expected?

I personally really enjoyed this new kind of content. I look forward to challenging criterion in the future.

[Aniya_Estlihn]

A lot of comments in this thread are ignoring the fact that Yoshida was very clear from the moment this content was mentioned that it is not a deep dungeon. Yet, for reasons I cannot fathom, that's what everyone expected?

I've learned that people on the forums and just in the community at large don't watch PLLs or pay attention to news of any kind for fear of being spoiled on it. Because had people done so, they'd have known that 6.3X will have Deep Dungeon #3 and that Variant/Criterion are completely brand new content unassociated to it in any tangible way... if they'd, you know, actually pay attention. Yet here we are.

[Ransu]

I ... dont think so xD

The ex version is maybe doable with a full i610 group, but savage is definetely not doable with a full i610 group

You can absolutely clear the savage in 610 gear.