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    Can we get an official explanation on what parrying is?

    There is literally nothing in game or on Google that isn't about the thing removed in 4.0 besides a Reddit thread that vaguely explains it along with PLD Block. And THAT is just that you randomly have a chance to block physical damage...

    But for those that are curious and don't actually know... (because recently I told someone who started playing in HEAVENSWARD about it for the first time who never noticed it, and I started playing in Shadowbringers!)

    All classes can parry and have the same rate of doing it (20% chance), it lowers the damage of any random physical attack by 15%. Why is this never explained anywhere in the game or on any official websites?
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    Last edited by localareanetwork; 10-15-2022 at 05:44 PM.

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    It doesn't matter because it's RNG and RNG mitigation is not worth anything because it's not consistent. You can't go into a raid and be certain that you don't need more mitigation because you don't know if it will parry or not. This is why most traces of it were removed in the first place.

    It's useful for tanks fighting against enemies in dungeons because a lot of them do physical attacks and every 5 parries is like one attack missing. The chance of parrying is high because of the amount of enemies attacking you and this is the only moment that you can really rely on it. Gunbreaker has an ability called Camouflage that still increases parry rate.

    You have a point that they don't explain it anymore, but because this ability also reduces damage taken by 10%, it conveys the priority you should be assigning the ability well enough.

    DPS did used to have parry buffs as well, but they wanted to make room for abilities that are actually useful to a DPS. Ones that actually do damage.
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    Parrying was somehow important for tanks. The old Battledance Materia increased the parry rate. But they changed it to a flat incoming damage reduction. Parrying is still in the game engine but you cannot really affect it. Only the gunbreaker has a temporary buff, which increases the parry rate by 50%.

    I guess, they will remove parrying in the future because this stat has no real usage.

    Cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larirawiel View Post
    Parrying was somehow important for tanks. The old Battledance Materia increased the parry rate. But they changed it to a flat incoming damage reduction.
    Speaking of which, could we maybe make Tenacity an actually useful stat instead of the "if gear has it then it's almost certainly not BiS" and "absolute last stat to materia boost for" thing it is now?

    The damage reduction gained from it is flat-out awful. There's barely any difference.
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    To the best of my knowledge, most games use the word parry when referring to partial deflection of an attack (as opposed to dodge where the attack fails to land at all). I think it's one of those terms where it's just assumed everyone knows what it means.

    Quote Originally Posted by Larirawiel View Post
    Parrying was somehow important for tanks. The old Battledance Materia increased the parry rate. But they changed it to a flat incoming damage reduction. Parrying is still in the game engine but you cannot really affect it. Only the gunbreaker has a temporary buff, which increases the parry rate by 50%.

    I guess, they will remove parrying in the future because this stat has no real usage.

    Cheers
    It does have some use as a form of mitigation but as Jeeqbit said, there's no real point in explaining it in detail since it is random in nature plus developers can change the formula for the damage reduction if they feel it's needed.
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    Are these numbers accurate for people? Cause on my PLD when I Parry it's for 19% blocked. As for Tenacity doing nothing...I must admit I don't do any raiding so Materia slotting is an afterthought to me cause it's just all extra but I take far less damage when I slotted as Tenacity as my priority stat (Cause I know nothing of materia and just wanted something) I've noticed not only do I take less damage...but my regen or even clemency if I use it on someone else is pretty much a Benediction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renalt View Post
    Are these numbers accurate for people? Cause on my PLD when I Parry it's for 19% blocked.
    I believe you are confusing Block and Parry. Only Paladins can Block, the amount they block for is ~20%, dependant on the shield equipped (at a X0 level, early gear tends to be 19% which it then goes up to 20% and IIRC it goes to 21% at the best gear for the level) however, all jobs can parry, including Paladin. Parry is as described in the OP.

    Parry has a much lower 'proc' rate on Paladin as you cannot block and parry an attack and block will always take priority. You will know when an attack is parried as you will see the text say (Parried 15%) as opposed to (Blocked 20%).
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    AH you are indeed right about that. Dunno how I mixed that up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renalt View Post
    As for Tenacity doing nothing...I must admit I don't do any raiding so Materia slotting is an afterthought to me cause it's just all extra but I take far less damage when I slotted as Tenacity as my priority stat (Cause I know nothing of materia and just wanted something) I've noticed not only do I take less damage...but my regen or even clemency if I use it on someone else is pretty much a Benediction.
    People did the number crunching for it, and the difference in damage reduced and HP healed was definitely not that astronomical. I'm obviously not calling you a liar or anything, but whatever's boosting those numbers for you definitely isn't Tenacity.

    ...unless they've boosted the stat at the release of Endwalker. Haven't heard anything about that sort of thing happening, but who knows?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    No reward is worth suffering through content you feel is bad. The worst thing the playerbase can do to itself is force-complete the content it hates. It leaves the false impression that despite complaints, players are generally satisfied with the content and it's okay to make more like it. If players stop working on the content even with rewards incomplete (like Pagos when it first came out), it will send a clear sign that changes need to be made.

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    I think parry has an additional caveat that you can't do it while casting, which also used to apply to blocking until the devs realized that didn't mesh with the magical part of PLD's rotation (At least prior to them gaining the passive that makes their spells have no cast time).
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    Last edited by KageTokage; 10-16-2022 at 11:39 AM.

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