Blacklisted Players in Matched Parties Feedback

[DynamoAce]

The current iteration of Blacklist definitely needs an improvement. I don't really find myself blacklisting many people but it's a huge inconvenience when a player you've blacklisted gets matched up in your party not once.... not twice.... but three times in a row.

I learned that Blacklisting a player does not actually stop them from being matched up with you in a party.

For context, the situation is a run of Pilgrim's Traverse in the Floor 70+ range going pretty bad when a PLD decides to pull nearly every enemy in giant mobs despite the rest of us asking them not to to be more careful. They insist doing it their way which nearly caused multiple wipes but we made it through that set of floors.

I decide to Blacklist assuming it would prevent us from getting matched... and we get matched on the next set of floors, where this time they DO cause a wipe, forcing us back down to the previous set of floors. Upon queing again... we are yet again matched together, except I decide to leave the duty because I really don't want to deal with continuous wipes getting paired with the same person.
To make things worse, because I've blacklisted them (the other individual I was with also blacklisted them), I'm not sure if we'd be able to see anything in party chat to communicate in content... that will require a moderate amount of communication, which sucks if we're forced to be grouped together (Correct me if I'm wrong on this)

This is clearly a difference in playstyles, and if they want to play that way and they're happy that's fine, but if it inconveniences someone who would like to not get paired up with them then it's really horrible if there is no way to prevent being matched up with someone with a playstyle that is likely to cause wipes, completely wasting an individual's time especially on content that can punish you for wiping.

I understand theres the options of going with a fixed party (but you need to find people for that on your same floor set), maybe data center traveling to avoid getting a que with that same person, or holding off on playing at all for a while in hopes you don't get matched up with that person again. These are options but it doesn't make it any less inconvenient when the function that exists in the game that is suppose to block interaction with another player.... doesn't even fully block them and leaves room for toxic interactions indirectly.

So my hopeful request is if the Devs could please improve on the current iteration of the Blacklist to prevent blacklisted players from being matched together in any content.

[Jeeqbit]

I've been matched with blacklisted players before as well, because the probability exists if you queue at the same time each day like they probably are. It was only a week after as well.

I think that the matching system matching with blacklisted players is fine for roulettes because it's overall not very likely due to the amount of people that queue for them. But for deep dungeons it's highly likely as you're progressing up the floors at the same time, and there isn't really a proper matching system that would suffer from considering blacklists like there is with roulettes because there are no role restrictions.

[Exmo]

Sounds like the problem is there's not enough people in the queue. Would you rather sit in the queue for 30+ minutes waiting for another player to hopefully join instead of being matched with this PLD?

[AvoSturmfaust]

Sounds like the problem is there's not enough people in the queue. Would you rather sit in the queue for 30+ minutes waiting for another player to hopefully join instead of being matched with this PLD?

Yes, i would rather wait 2h then getting matched yet again with someone which causes wipe over wipe

[DynamoAce]

Sounds like the problem is there's not enough people in the queue. Would you rather sit in the queue for 30+ minutes waiting for another player to hopefully join instead of being matched with this PLD?

Yes because sitting 30+ minutes in a que would be slightly better than progressing 20 floors only to end up getting wiped by a specific player's horrible choices that affect the entire party's run. Not a good situation regardless and isn't fair to the player(s) trying to progress but keep getting their time wasted. There are alternative solutions like I said but they all end up putting the player in an unfair spot when this is a system that should really be fixed.

[Exmo]

Yes because sitting 30+ minutes in a que would be slightly better than progressing 20 floors only to end up getting wiped by a specific player's horrible choices that affect the entire party's run. Not a good situation regardless and isn't fair to the player(s) trying to progress but keep getting their time wasted. There are alternative solutions like I said but they all end up putting the player in an unfair spot when this is a system that should really be fixed.

That's a fair perspective, thank you for answering. Would you also be ok with waiting 30+ minutes in a queue because another player blacklisted you for whatever reason?

[DynamoAce]

That's a fair perspective, thank you for answering. Would you also be ok with waiting 30+ minutes in a queue because another player blacklisted you for whatever reason?

If it means I'm guaranteed not having to run into someone I blacklisted because I don't want to play with them then I'll gladly accept that too.
I'm sure there can be some balance in the code for the matchmaking.
Maybe it can be like this: Two players blacklisting each other queuing for the same thing? Whoever queued first can have the priority to go with the group being currently matched together while the person queuing second will have to wait for the next group, however long that may take.
It is very unlikely both would que at the exact same time down to the milliseconds, but IF that was the case for two people on different parts of the globe, put it to a dice roll, alphabetical order or any other way to determine who gets first priority in this very rare circumstance.

[Exmo]

If it means I'm guaranteed not having to run into someone I blacklisted because I don't want to play with them then I'll gladly accept that too.

I think you missed what I was implying in my previous post, which is that blacklisting could then be used as a harassment tactic to block another player from accessing an instanced duty. It would be relatively easy to do so with a network of bots. I think that's why SE have taken their approach instead

[Llamalass]

Sounds like the problem is there's not enough people in the queue. Would you rather sit in the queue for 30+ minutes waiting for another player to hopefully join instead of being matched with this PLD?

Yes. I would. /shrug

[ViinaS]

Ofc the blacklist needs improvement and another overhaul.

Will that happen tho? Unlikely.
SE is just too incompetent to make a functioning blacklist.
Remember last time they did something with it which was a huge security risk and enabled a stalking plugin cause in their infinite wisdom their garbage blacklist sent unencrypted player data to clients.