The Final Fantasy XIV Problem.

[Jokerz_93]

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Could FFxiv do things better? sure could. but being unfriendly to new users?

Never said that XIV is unfriendly. I'm saying that XIV isnt build to be a friendly user rather it's build to be a game that promotes the ignorance towards its gameplay.
You dont have to know nothing to clear normal contents. Just be in there.
That's wrong and that's why WOD is still the most difficult ARR's alliance content, and I dont mention Dun Scaith or even the Rabanastre arc...

. taking 8 months to want to do so suggests a bit of laziness on your part. improvement past a certain level is on the player to do.. not on the game developers to provide.

How can someone knows the existence of the Balance Website, or the XIVSalted if no one has mentioned to you at least one? Who was born learned?
None and I had the misfortune to happen in an FC where no one knew anything about the game, about how to play and by the time I was a sprout so them seemed to me good players.
Accindentaly I stepped into someone who knew where to find good resources to improve. That's when I started realizing that XIV is build to keep people in ignorance. My parses speaks for me.

. not sure who you hang out with, but I have yet to find people in a large amount that are "incapable to clear normal content above ARR".
so yeah, I disagree on almost all points.

I hang out with XIV player base, sadly, on EU when just today their motion to abandon Rabanastre passed. Not the first time that happens.

[Kes13a]

How can someone knows the existence of the Balance Website, or the XIVSalted if no one has mentioned to you at least one? Who was born learned?
None and I had the misfortune to happen in an FC where no one knew anything about the game, about how to play and by the time I was a sprout so them seemed to me good players.
Accindentaly I stepped into someone who knew where to find good resources to improve. That's when I started realizing that XIV is build to keep people in ignorance. My parses speaks for me.

honestly never even heard anyone talk about those websites before, nor have I ever used them.

guessing I must be one of those ignorant "toxic casuals".

[Deveryn]

Never said that XIV is unfriendly. I'm saying that XIV isnt build to be a friendly user rather it's build to be a game that promotes the ignorance towards its gameplay.
You dont have to know nothing to clear normal contents. Just be in there.
That's wrong and that's why WOD is still the most difficult ARR's alliance content, and I dont mention Dun Scaith or even the Rabanastre arc...

It doesn't promote ignorance, it encourages you to learn and find other people to do stuff. It's actually quite user friendly... a lot of people are sadly just ignorant by default. Yes, the info is still limited, but this is nothing new. This is gaming in general. It's been this way for years. This is why guides exist. They show you a certain amount and then let you learn along the way and figure things out. I touched on this earlier. People want to dive right into something and not be hit with a ton of info all at once.

Not all the info they give is shown in text. A lot of the arenas are intentionally designed to have points of interest where things will happen. If you look and pay attention to that stuff, you'll learn plenty. Alliance raids from the get go have always pointed you north and shown you how to split into your three parties and where you go. It amazes me that people still fail to catch on to this into the more recent expansions. More recently, they've even started tethering you to the mobs you're supposed to go fight.

The game actually teaches you a lot if you go back and play things over again, but it seems like people just want to one-and-done things to get to the end. It's not the developers' fault people are like that. It's an unfortunate mentality that just exists.

In the social environment like this, what happens with interactions and such falls way beyond the scope of what they can feasibly provide. All the rules and such are set to guide people, but it's mostly beyond their control. It's up to the players to make some choices and ask questions and seek info as regional communities do things differently.

[Canadane]

The game actually teaches you a lot if you go back and play things over again, but it seems like people just want to one-and-done things to get to the end. It's not the developers' fault people are like that. It's an unfortunate mentality that just exists.

I find this one a lot, people really don't understand the games concept of teaching you via your failures.
Death and wipes are fine and expected as you learn new difficult things. As long as you learn from it you can move forward.

[Raoabolic]

I find this one a lot, people really don't understand the games concept of teaching you via your failures.
Death and wipes are fine and expected as you learn new difficult things. As long as you learn from it you can move forward.

Do you not remember when the modern player had that hot take that they are owed a victory/ending because they purchased the game? This is the mentality you are fighting against, good luck! lol

[Midareyukki]

Do you not remember when the modern player had that hot take that they are owed a victory/ending because they purchased the game? This is the mentality you are fighting against, good luck! lol

wait what? xD

So you buy a JRPG. Solo experience. Some boss kills you. Game clearly has the tools for you to beat it, you just need to train, figure out a strategy and stuff... but you insist the boss should now harakiri itself because you paid money for the game? It's a game, the whole point is to learn how to play it and go for the objective and have fun while doing it.

[Jokerz_93]

It doesn't promote ignorance, [..] It's been this way for years

It doesn't mean that this is the right path to walk.

People want to dive right into something and not be hit with a ton of info all at once.

I agree and people should be guided towards a right behavior not left alone. XIV requires a better learning system. By default XIV does not provide you anything if not short tooltips that sometimes can be misleading (e.g Paldin's PoA).

A lot of the arenas are intentionally designed [...]

Not my point. Didn't say anything about fight design.

It's not the developers' fault people are like that. It's an unfortunate mentality that just exists.

I dind't say it's Yoshi-P and dev's fault. I don't even think is something that depends by them.
XIV is changed trying to become more "user firendly" (again, I dont think that this changing can be called "user friendly") for the casual and newbie side.
Jobs easier expac by expac, normal content easier patch be patch, Duty support to make an MMO more a Solo game, a pointless Hardcore scenario. All of this are not meant to make a better XIV rather to make XIV more accessible.
And it's fine to me. But when this accessibility comes without a proper build-in knowledge of the game's basics, when this "user friendly" mentality weights on the avarege vetaran's players whose see the game they spent years on turning into a pit full of headless chicken it's time to sit down and say "nope. that's too much".

I see these headless chicken in savages all the time. I've in my top corner of my screen all their mistakes. My ACT doesnt tell me the dps anymore. It says to me "Why are you doing this to yourself?"
I dont blame who doesn't know how to play. I dont blame the dev team. I blame the company SE itself to be so greedy to have forgotten that who is paying their bill since a long time patch doesnt see any improvements, rather a simplification expac aftet expac.
But yea, milions of active players and only a small amount of them know what to do...i guess that's why hardcore mode is pointless.

I loved this game when i started to play. Now I see that this game is WoW, just with another name and another "elitism".

[Deveryn]

I agree and people should be guided towards a right behavior not left alone. XIV requires a better learning system. By default XIV does not provide you anything if not short tooltips that sometimes can be misleading (e.g Paldin's PoA).

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I dind't say it's Yoshi-P and dev's fault. I don't even think is something that depends by them.
XIV is changed trying to become more "user firendly" (again, I dont think that this changing can be called "user friendly") for the casual and newbie side.

Which is it? The game is not designed / maintained properly or Yoshi and the team are doing their job?