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    The thing is, this help does happen. All the time. I'll agree that the game itself could stand to provide more of a guide on some of the systems, but I see people doing that constantly. I see plenty of advice given during random pug runs. I give advice during pug runs, and have never had an issue. Just don't be a jerk about it. NN gives advice. FC's give advice.

    To me, this game is very "user friendly." Knowing people aren't going to be toxic to you is immensely user friendly to a new player. I'll disagree in defining it "as the game holds your hand through everything." We're humans. Most of us playing MMO's today are adults. There comes a point where we have to grow up a bit and learn some things on our own. And the game does do a satisfactory (not great, but sufficient) job of providing a variety of avenues for the community to pick up the slack in helping people learn where the game itself leaves off.

    Also, if a new player wants to learn how to play XIV, they need to rely on external websites and tools and if they want to try hardcore contents they must have those information because that mode is build around them.
    In all curiosity, can you point out an MMO where this isn't the case? Using things like parsing tools and looking up strats and builds on various websites that min/max everything is standard in the genre. Heck, FFXIV is one of the better ones in this regard in my opinion, since other games like WoW have their high-end fights built around people having add-ons like DBM. FFXIV is not designed like that.

    XIV lack of a proper build-in jobs' guide, and because of that I'm not surprised reading and seeing people don't AoE during pull mobs and being ignorant.
    In all seriousness, how often does this actually happen? Personally, I'm not sure I've ever seen it. Are we really just taking one random post by some random poster with some random anecdotal story and acting like it's normal?

    So it can be more user friendly and bring more subs?
    FFXIV currently has the highest active playerbase it ever has. The start of EW towered above every other expansion, and even the mid-to-late-patch "lulls" are maintaining an active playerbase significantly higher than it's ever been in the past.

    I will not surprise if it will end up in the same manner another award winning MMO did.
    That "other award winning MMO" went down the drain precisely because they changed their approach and started focusing development on the toxic e-sports crowd. I'm not sure what that last paragraph even means.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Striker44 View Post
    The thing is, [...] FC's give advice.
    The thing is, not everywhere is the same. I saw people gave advises and be threatened to be reported for that. I saw NN gives bad advices based on wrong interpretation of things. My first FC was created long ago and no one there could even read the skills tooltip.

    Quote Originally Posted by Striker44 View Post
    To me, this game is very "user friendly."[...]
    People are not going to be toxic to you because the enviroment this game builds. They are not going to be toxic to you bc they are scared to say anything that could be turned against them, thanks to the ToS.
    Also, I did say that XIV is not an user friendly game because it doesn't tell anything about everything. And I'm not saying XIV should be like that.
    Indeed, the game does a decent job of providing a variety of avenues for the comunity to pick up the slack in helping people and at the same time it lacks to provides the basic resources for those who haven't yet found those avenues.


    Quote Originally Posted by Striker44 View Post
    In all curiosity, [...]
    I'm not talking about parsing tools, strats and builds. I'm talking about the core of specific job.
    It's not mandatory to know how a specific job works to complete the majority of the XIV's contents, however this is mandatory in the case you are running hardcore contents.




    Quote Originally Posted by Striker44 View Post
    In all seriousness, [...]
    Honestly I've my doubts that it happens often. Still I can tell you that I've seen dragoons doing Coerthas Torments spam on single target for the entire fight. I've seen Astros not playing their carts, not using any offensive gcd, over healings for the entire duration of the fight. I've seen Paladins press random buttons, I've seen a lot of players not knowing the core of their jobs in normal contents and in savages. And, if savages are open to everyone (and I'm ok with this) the game should by default prepare those who wants to try them with guides in game that could be used also by everyone. Why not having a simple but well structered system that helps you out to play better? it'd be included in the sub.


    Quote Originally Posted by Striker44 View Post
    FFXIV currently has the highest active playerbase [...]
    I know, that's why I'm bit worried to see XIV change into a bottonless pit of headless chicken running and yelling "You dont pay my sub" from now on.


    Quote Originally Posted by Striker44 View Post
    That "other award winning MMO" [...]
    Hasn't XIV done the same, but in the opposite way? Hasn't XIV changed their approach and started focusing development on the toxic casual crowd?

    In XIV the toxicity is from the casual side of the comunity towards the "hardcore" one rather than the opposite. I wonder why when we have a such well designed ToS.

    I want to point out that I'm not blaming the comunity, it's something that SE should be made responsable for IF SE really cares about XIV and its comunity.
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